Aug 16, 2011 -- 8:22PM, Gumby4jc wrote:

All is well.  No hard feelings at all.  I can only guess what you may have faced from those who claim to be Christians but have no true love in their heart.  I can respect you without agreeing with you.  

The Christians I have experienced are confused and think suffering feels good.  They think a lynched man on a cross is a painful beauty.  They are so conditioned by this world.

Aug 16, 2011 -- 10:25PM, Gumby4jc wrote:

"The Christians I have experienced are confused and think suffering feels good.  They think a lynched man on a cross is a painful beauty.  They are so conditioned by this world."

 

Suffering NEVER feels good.  Pain NEVER feels good.  You are RIGHT!!  As a man,  I have no TRUE right to speak about the pain of child birth.  The pain ends and that is ALL i meant.

 

As to suffering, I do believe my suffering can bring peace to others.  They can see that in their suffering, they are not alone and others understand their pain...

 

It is NOT that the pain that is beautiful!!!  It is in our ability to empathize with the pain & suffering of others, that our pain becomes beautiful!!!  We stop focus on our suffering, and help other with their suffering.  OUR suffering becomes less because the suffering of others becomes more important.

If you think your suffering brings peace to others, that's what I mean when I said that the image of him on a cross sets a precedent for suffering.  It is good that you cannot bear the suffering in this world.  You will do something to change it, not only suffer it.

Look Beyond said:  I believe the message of the cross and Christ's suffering excruciating pain for the sins of the world is not fully understood.
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I believe that the Roman Catholic Church is a misguided assemblage of men who wrench guilt out of you 2,000 years later, for something you never did, by waving a lynched man on a cross at you.  And, at the same time, collecting your money.  The church teaches people to pray to an idol god.  Jesus taught that you are God(s).  Psalms 6:38, John 10:34. Don't worship an idol.  Stop praying and do these miracles yourself.  The Roman Catholic Church has made you as helpless while their money-making business continues.
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You said:  It is an example to us that through Him we need not suffer for our own sins if we believe in Him and live by His teachings and keep His commandments. He only requires of us our belief in Him and our obedience and we will not have to suffer for our sins.
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Breaking down one's wrong education, breaking wrong mental barriers, and rebuilding one's mind in the correct way of thinking, is what works.  Not more "follow, obey" what other people have told you what to think.
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You said:  The other side of the coin infers, that those who do not accept Jesus Christ and learn obedience will suffer for their own sins as though no atonement was made, until justice is satisfied and mercy can have claim upon them.
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Children are obedient.  Catholic priests have historically taught people to see themselves as sons and daughters, and themselves as father.  This is a manipulation.  Rather, being a good person is about making correct choices and sometimes having to learn from mistakes.  In this world, people are not to learn obedience like children, but to learn the difference between right and wrong and understand why it is better to build than destroy.  There are rules and laws in place to help people know what healthy boundaries are, and how to make right decisions that direct their lives and the community in which they live.
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You said: That people would take Jesus from the Cross, shows how little they truly understand the symbolism of His suffering for us. It appears to be one more attempt by those who would have this Nation reduced to a non-christian Nation, which Obama has already declared that we are "no longer a Christian Nation." I heard him speak these very words, as did many....but it doesn't get much press, nor do the words he spoke in the same address stating he is a "Muslim" and how his father lived in Kenya and Obama attended school there......
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Well, I disagree.  If you were in the South 70 years ago, would you enjoy seeing your grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, aunt, uncle, cousin, brother, sister, or your child on a cross (lynched)?  No, you would not like to see it.  You should not like to see Jesus on a cross now, and should not consider it a good "example" which manipulates you into being a good person.  Being a good, kind, intelligent person should be one's choice because it is right.  Raising one's consciousness, petitioning, exposing wrong and passing laws, is what changes a world of confusion and wrongs.  Not doing right because you are afraid of suffering.

You are not seeing the whole picture; you have *blind* spots.  Christians are capable of doing horrible things too, just like any other person of another country or religion.  Criminality is a mental health problem if it is anything.  Look at what the Roman Catholic Church has done since EXTREMELY recently...killing to spread the Christian religion, stealing land and holdings from people through manipulation or force, at the same time preaching love your neighbor (ha!), enabling and covering up rape, while living the high life without accountabliity.  Petitioning and getting laws passed has changed that behavior.

There is room and freedom for every religion in this country, Christianity being one of them.  If people are of the mind that they must go to church on a regular basis to be a conscienced person, then let them.  You are twisting things to your way of thinking when you say:  "which Obama has already declared that we are "no longer a Christian Nation." I heard him speak these very words, as did many....but it doesn't get much press, nor do the words he spoke in the same address stating he is a "Muslim" and how his father lived in Kenya and Obama attended school there..." 

What's wrong with his father living in Kenya?  I'd like to live in Kenya someday.  Do you think people from Kenya are subhuman?  Are you racist?  The very fact that a person of color could be president in a predominantly white country is a great step for this country, even though he can't do much because we are living in a time where money greedy people would rather hang onto their empires than do good in the world.  The American system needs an overhaul.  Change needs the right ingredients.  Sometimes the pantry is bare.  It is the end of the old cycle and the beginning of a new one.

Oct 2, 2011 -- 11:49PM, loveontheair wrote:

Hello,

 

Christine...

Those who are His know that He is no longer on the Cross. He's in my heart. Believer's know this and it poses no problem with most of them. Only the Catholics have these Crosses. I find it odd that you have a grapple with this. Put it aside and move on. The God who made the Heavens, the Earth, the Seas and the Springs of Waters would like you to move on as well. These practices of Rome go back Centuries.

 

love

 

 

I am planting a seed here.  You want heaven on earth.  Make it so.

It's about time to carry the cross Jesus Christ have carried.