| 5 years ago :: Sep 21, 2008 - 10:25AM #1 | |
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Namaste all,
I have read the Bhagavata Purana where it mentions, if I'm remembering correctly, eighteen avatars of Lord Vishnu. My questions are: 1. Is the Buddha Avatar the same Buddha as the Buddhists, which is Shakyamuni Buddha, or is it a different Buddha? 2. Is the Rishabidev Avatar the same as the Jain Tirthankar? 3. If the answer is yes to the above questions, what was the purpose of these two incarnations? 4. What purpose do Buddhism and Jainism serve if the above answers are 'yes'? Please forgive my ignorance. I am not a Vaishnava. I don't ascribe to any particular sect. These are just some questions I have been pondering and can't seem to find any answers too. Thank you very much! Regards, ganesh_bhakta |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 23, 2008 - 2:50PM #2 | |
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Dear ganesh_bhakta,
Here are my answers: 1. Is the Buddha Avatar the same Buddha as the Buddhists, which is Shakyamuni Buddha, or is it a different Buddha? The Buddha Avatar is the same Buddha as the Buddhists. 2. Is the Rishabhdev Avatar the same as the Jain Tirthankar? Yes. 3. If the answer is yes to the above questions, what was the purpose of these two incarnations? I do not know how Vaishnavas will answer this question. 4. What purpose do Buddhism and Jainism serve if the above answers are 'yes'? I do not know how Vaishnavas will answer this question. Namaste Gangajal |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 23, 2008 - 3:06PM #3 | |
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Namaste gangajal,
Thank you for your reply. I read somewhere where Jainism and Buddhism were originally created by Lord Vishnu to draw the asuras away from the Vedas. I'm not saying Buddhism and Jainism are asuric, this is just what I've read. But, I do trust the source where I got the answer. I post most of my questions regarding issues like this on a different forum. Regards, ganesh_bhakta |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 23, 2008 - 3:22PM #4 | |
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Dear ganesh_bhakta,
Yes, I have also heard such a thing. I don't take such things seriously. I think what you are seeing is the process of incorporating both Buddha and Rishabhdev into the Hindu fold. Namaste Gangajal |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 24, 2008 - 12:50PM #5 | |
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Namaste :)
I don't know about the Jain side of things so i will answer dealing with Buddha. Yes Shakyamuni was the avatar of Vishnu. Some believe that he came to lead the assuras away from the vedas but i have also heard another explanation. this is that at the time leading up to the Buddha, the Vedas were no longer being followed. People were relying on empty rituals based on animal slaughter. Wealthy, faithless priests exploited the people and true learning was not widely practiced. During this time too there was a large growth of atheism, namely the ajivaka movement. These people believed there was no god, no after life, no over arching moral law. it was a "do as you like" time deal. The Vedas by this point had been long forgotten. So out of mercy the Lord appeared as the Buddha and did two things. First he decried animal sacrifice and urged vegetarianism (although theravada buddhists don't believe so) then he took the faithless and gave them faith. they may not be able to believe in god so Vishnu gave them a doctrine of faith in the Buddha. So those who wouldn't believe in God were tricked in a way into believing in him :) this is the explanation i have heard. i don't know how accurate it is with scripture though. Jai Sri Krishna! :) |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 24, 2008 - 1:10PM #6 | |
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Namaste radhe-govinda,
Thank you for your reply! It is most interesting. I don't know what scripture says either. Do you know if in Vaishnava temples, do they worship Lord Buddha, such as with Lord Rama or Lord Krishna? Regards, ganesh_bhakta |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 24, 2008 - 6:40PM #7 | |
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Namaste Ganesh :)
the only temple that i know of for sure is the Lakshmi Narayan temple in Delhi. They also have Mahavira and pictures of the Sikh gurus. there may be others as i know there are buddhist temples with hindu deities in them but i can't say for certain. Jai Sri Krishna! :) |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 30, 2008 - 11:32AM #8 | |
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Namaste,
there is also another view, that Shakyamuni is different from Vishnu avatar Buddha: http://www.salagram.net/buddha-vadiraj-ver.html Bhagavata Purana 5.6.9-11 mentions Jainism negatively as a Kali yuga religion. Some Vaishnava temples have dasavatara murtis which include Buddha (sometimes replaced by Balarama). Hope this helps some. Hare Krishna "This Krishna Consciousness is a science to understand what is the difference between a dead body and a living body". (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada) Your servant, bh. Jan http://www.vrindavan-dham.com http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz |
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| 4 years ago :: Aug 13, 2009 - 12:33PM #9 | |
Yes, the same Buddha of Buddhism and the same Rishabidev of Jainism are regarded as avatars of Lord Vishnu. But not all Hindus accept Buddha and Rishabidev as avatars. Particularly in South India, Lord Balarama is often substituted for Buddha in the Dashavatara (ten primary avatars of Lord Vishnu), and another substitution is made for Rishabidev. |
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| 3 years ago :: Sep 25, 2010 - 11:55AM #10 | |
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A closer look into early texts shows the idea that Vishnu and Buddha are one is a myth:
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