| 4 years ago :: Jan 27, 2009 - 7:22AM #21 | |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 02, 2009 - 9:54AM #22 | |
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Here are some of the articles on SGI and the rise of Ikeda. Quite an eye-opener.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/gakkai/gakkai40.html http://www.rickross.com/reference/gakkai/gakkai26.html http://www.rickross.com/reference/gakkai/gakkai22.html I have always felt that being informed and seeing all side of an issue is important. When I was introduced to SGI I was handed a card with with the chant on it and just told to do it, that it would change my life. At the time my life was very troubled, my anxiety and depression level was 20 or more on a scale of 1-10, way over the top. I was a mess. I have been healing through therapy, some very wonderful people outside of SGI, and just time (my anxiety and depression was drug-induced by an anti-depressant). My greatest amount of healing happened over the Christmas holidays, around the time I stopped chanting. My mind was becoming clearer and I was starting to question a lot of things, particularly this Ikeda worship thing. The guy has been compared to Ghandi and King. He is neither of those, not by a long shot. Questioning is good, following blindly is dangerous. Questioning what you believe is not heresy, either. We don't live in the dark ages, you know. |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 03, 2009 - 11:48AM #23 | |
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KittenlyGirl:
Don't confuse politics with spirituality. I haven't read where people were lead to drinking poision Kool Aide and dieing for President Ikea with the promising of going the "Promise Land". I have read all the articles about SGI, I weighed the good and bad. I have spoken to people who stayed for years and those who left. The ones that leave have same response the bickering and the demands for attending meetings. Some people have come back and not as involved as use to be. If someone would said they would die for him. I truley would question his mental state. That person does not take responsbility for is own spiritual growth. He relys on a power outside of himself. |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 03, 2009 - 11:55AM #24 | |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 03, 2009 - 1:22PM #25 | |
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I came into this with an open mind and then as I started to feel suffocated I decided to go outside of SGI-generated materials and investigate what I was getting into. So I got the history of SGI from a lot of sides. As far as I'm concerned Nicherin's life and teachings was not the problem here. From what I read it was very profound and I'm sure I could have gotten much from it. SGI was the problem. And while it started out subtle in the end it had all the pushiness of a Jehovah's Witness coming to the door. But at least with them I know what it's all about and I keep my door shut.
I believe that one must give back to Gohonzon when leaving SGI and I will be doing that shortly, along with the beads and anything else that I was given or purchased. If I should ever went to study again or chant I will do it on my own without the pressure of SGI member phone calls or meetings and chalk up the whole mess as a learning experience. |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 04, 2009 - 1:52PM #26 | |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 06, 2009 - 4:48PM #27 | |
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In doing further research on compatibility of Nichiren Buddhism and Christianity, or even the concept of God, I have found out that I cannot practice the two and, I'm sorry, I'm not giving up my Christian beliefs. I asked this question several times at meetings and got different answers. Now I understand why my mentor was so annoyed by my belief in God, both within and without.
It was a horrible conflict that was hurting me mentally and I am so glad I was able to clear this up on my own. It seems that my mentor simply wanted me to join SGI and I guess once there I would be so enamored of it that I would give up the faith that I have had for a lifetime and am committed to. I have very little respect for people who would give up their faith so easily. I'm not one of them. So people who have a firm belief in God and are interested in Nicherin should take this into consideration. I will not be chanting with determination in front of the Gohonzon at any time in the present or future. And your post, Etoro, totally glossed over that part about my faith and my decision to give up the Gohonzon. For those interested, here is the discussion of this on the Interfaith.org forum: http://www.interfaith.org/forum/nichire … m-844.html |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 06, 2009 - 11:34PM #28 | |
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Sear KittenlyGirl:
"However, later seeking and entering the deep cave, you see a single hermitage. The voices of the reading and reciting of the Hokekyo echo against blue heaven and the words of discussing the doctrine of the One Vehicle are heard in the midst of the mountains. Informing [them, of your presence and requesting] admittance, you enter the chamber, place your mother's bones before the Master of Teachings Lord Shakya, cast your five limbs to the ground, press your palms together, and opening your two eyes, look up to the Holy Face: Joy overflows your body and the pain of your heart suddenly ceases."(On Forgetting Ones Copy Of The Lotus Sutra, NOPPA Translation) The Buddha and Nichiren Daishonin well realized that some people can not put complete faith in an impersonal Law no matter how logical or endowed with the Three Proofs (Writings, Logic, and Actual Reward). Perhaps this is because of our dependence on other people, our parents, our teachers, and our sovereigns. Some people will require a subject to revere in order to acquire the requisite faith to attain Buddhahood. Right or wrong, this is religious reality and of course, Shakyamuni Buddha and Nichiren Daishonin were well aware of this. To those who can obtain Buddhahood through faith in the Law, Nichiren revealed the Law of Namu Myoho renge kyo and taught such things as, "Follow the Law and not persons." To those who can only obtain Buddhahood through faith in the "person", Nichiren revealed the Gohonzon and taught such things as, "The Master of Teachings Lord Shakya of the Juryo Chapter of the Lotus Sutra." There is something in Nichiren Lotus Sutra Buddhism for everyone. I think you have only been exposed to one view of Nichiren Lotus Sutra Buddhism. I exhort you to either independently investigate the depth and breadth of this Buddhism, independent of the teachings of any particular sect or to examine the Kempon Hokke teachings. Please continue your chanting of Namu Myoho renge kyo. Mark |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 24, 2012 - 12:09AM #29 | |
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I could use some advice to leave this practice. I enjoy the chanting, though really, good and bad things happen to me all the time whether I chant or not. I wonder that if no matter what I chanted I still would enjoy it, as I enjoy meditation very much so. I have beena member for 2 yrs. and not happy with it at all. WAY too many activities they expect people to be at, which makes me think of it like a cult. When, at a home meeting, I mentioned how someone was harrassing me and was crazy (this did happen, and was curious as what their response would be) all I got was, 'That person has Buddha nature too'. Period. Nothing in the way of support, advice, or a hug, it was weird. I have studied and like other forms of Buddhism and this seems SO different in sooooo many ways. I want to give back the Gonhonzon, or am thinking about it. I have others spiritualities that I will never give up, but SGI I could take it or leave it. Plus, when they have not seen me for a time, or need to be alone, they come to my house, even uninvited and pull me back in. |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 11:03AM #30 | |
Me too Kittenlygirl, that is my plan exactly! |
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