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6 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2008 - 11:55AM #1
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While I respect anyone/everyone learning as much as they can about Truth, when I see Madonna divorcing her husband after adopting a child, possibly getting involved with someone else's husband/former husband, parading around in next to nothing on stage, kissing women... I have to ask - just how is this a good example of a Truth seeker/Kabbalah student?  I worry about her.  I worry about those influenced by her/seduced? by her?  Anyone else see some incongruence here?  Has her involvement in Kabbalah influenced her to keep on or be more seductive/irreverent/immodest?  I would think not, but just when I think she is making some progress it seems she is right back into something else sleazy.  I hear other celebs are studying Kabbalah as well...Kutcher?  Affleck?  Just wondering.  Any thoughts?
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2008 - 5:38PM #2
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Since she and others aren't actually studying kabbalah, but only seeking instant gratification from some hollywood version which separates out anything vaguely real and leaves with a new age spirituality which pretends to be something associated with kabbalah, it is hard to decide exactly what effect kabbalah has.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 09, 2008 - 6:33PM #3
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[QUOTE=ffb;888396]Since she and others aren't actually studying kabbalah, but only seeking instant gratification from some hollywood version which separates out anything vaguely real and leaves with a new age spirituality which pretends to be something associated with kabbalah, it is hard to decide exactly what effect kabbalah has.[/QUOTE]

It is my understanding that the Kabbalah Center is operated by Orthodox Jews, including a few hasid. I find it hard to believe that Madonna getting divorced and having affairs is an indictment of Kabbalah. I have never been to the Kabbalah Center so I am not aware of how authentic it is, but if Orthodox and Chasidim study there then I would have to question your assumption that it is somehow new age spirituality.

Kabbalah. does teach things that many do not understand such as re-incarnation/past lives but that is traditional kabbalah so can not be condemned because of Madonna's association.

Also I read a book called "Does the Soul Survive" written by Rabbi Elie Spitz who by researching the Tanach, Zohar and Talmud and by practical investigation of Past Life Regression makes the arguement that reincarnation is a valid and halachic position of after life for Judaism
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 09, 2008 - 9:30PM #4
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There is gilgul, but that is esoteric even by kabbalistic standards. The kobbalah in its proper form is an expansion of the mind's ability to perceive some inkling of god and the truths of the torah after exhaustive study of the text and the oral law. Trying to read the zohar without having the grounding in talmudic exegesis, or reading the sefer yetzirah on its own outside of the stream of jewish consciousness is worthless. Wearing $30 red threads on your wrist, selling "kabbalh water" or encouraging people to "practice kabbalah" is not at all part of what the kabbalah is. The kabbalah center in los angeles is run by someone who, at a younger age, studied in Orthodox schools, but whose actions and teachings are not at all part of normative jewish teaching about the kabbalah.
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