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5 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2007 - 1:05PM #11
Bunsinspace
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blucat wrote:

...Wherever you look,is the face of Allah...



BS"D

If I look at the Babylonian captivity, the Trail of Tears, WWII, the Arab-Israeli wars and modern Moslem terrorism then Allah sure is one ugly SOB!!!:p  Is it any wonder the black twin to the Taj Mahal was never built on the opposite side of the river?  There seems to be a bit of an imbalance in the strivings for the ideal life and the actions of those who do great evil in its name.:(

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5 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2007 - 1:31PM #12
nieciedo
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[QUOTE=gavrie;136534]the Terry Pratchett novel code.[/QUOTE]

If there were a religion based on Discworld, I would join it. I expect it would be a lot of fun.
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2007 - 2:28PM #13
gavrie
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Oh, there are online RPGs based on Discworld that have been going since I think arpanet. People have met and got married in real life from them.

So there indeed may be. I love the fights that keep breaking out between the wizards and the priests in the novels.
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2007 - 3:18PM #14
nieciedo
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[QUOTE=gavrie;137021]Oh, there are online RPGs based on Discworld that have been going since I think arpanet. People have met and got married in real life from them.

So there indeed may be. I love the fights that keep breaking out between the wizards and the priests in the novels.[/QUOTE]

I am a geek. I am a nerd, even. A fanboy, too. IOW, a loser. I freely admit that.

However, I am not THAT far gone! :)
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2007 - 3:31PM #15
gavrie
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LOL. I only PDF'd all the books (may be mising one or two of the most recent). Fun reading and I can crank the font. Besides, when my anthill inside dies (and it's already doing - ugh), I'm going Mac.

I've been religiously avoiding World of Warcraft for the same reason as you, though!

But here's something you might really like - and I bet, like me, you will be able to read it without difficulty - enjoy! :D
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2007 - 2:42PM #16
blucat
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When they are told, "You shall believe in these revelations of GOD," they say, "We believe only in what was sent down to us." Thus they disbelieve in subsequent revelations, even if it is the truth from their Lord, and even though it confirms what they have!
Say, "Why then did you kill GOD's prophets, if you are believers?"
(2:91)
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2007 - 3:02PM #17
blucat
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I started off poorly on this thread,  i copied and pasted sunstantial parts from submission.org, thinking they sounded amazing, but i agree it gives the impression that what I was talking about concerning the mathematical code found in the Quran, sounded no different to the ELS codes found in any given book, be it fiction or real.  I read the article or the link you provided, and to tell the truth it has confused me, especially the apparant code 19 appearing in the first paragraph of the Constitution of USA, however in my defence or in the defence of code 19, i have to rely on the mysticism and the esoteric meaning of the signature of God being based on  the number 19.  What is the underlying meaning that 19 represents, and simply 1 represent s the first, and 9 represents the last,  which is how they describe GOD, the First and the Last.

Again i am going to have to copy and paste, because I think you need to read this, but i wont i'll just give you the link, and if you think it isn't worth the effort or that you have a life so wont bother, then your loss.


http://submission.org/miracle/one.html


Basically it talks about how the word one in arabic, wahid, appears nineteen times in nineteen difference verses to describe God's unity or to characterize God as One, and the geomatric value of the word wahid is 6+1+8+4=19.

19 can be seen as one also, because if you were to add, 1+9=10= 1+0=1
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2007 - 3:31PM #18
gavrie
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I think that's what we call gematria more than 'bible code' or 'Qu'ran code'. At least it is in kabbalistic practise.

All words are numeric in Hebrew, as well (our echad being your wahid). The point of gematria kinds of numeric/word combinations in mystical Judaism is an exercise to make you realise that everything is connected to everything else - that it's all one big whole, and not a random universe of unrelated parts.
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 18, 2007 - 3:55PM #19
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Ok so certain things exist that obiviously few people either know or care about.  It seems to have no value for Jews today other then "oh how interesting."

We are called the people of the book-meaning many things.  One of which is not the Koran.

It is nice that for a Muslime the face of G-d/Allah is all over the place-but that belongs in a Muslim thread not here.

There are places on beliefnet for all of us,  You do not have to create controversy just to create controverys on places where another religon is being either discussed, having dialog about, and is not a part of the faith community to which you are actually speaking about.

How Rude!!!!!!

Laura
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 18, 2007 - 4:17PM #20
gavrie
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Maybe the relevance is that some Muslims are going to start hard-core evangelising towards Jews?

I live in a largely Islamic neighbourhood, though, and nobody's ever tried to convert me, even though they know I'm Jewish.

So...now we won't just have Jews4Jesus, we'll get Jews4Allah, too.

Oy. My head hurts already.

I have a lot, a LOT of respect for most of the Muslims I know and no reason to think that most Muslims aren't like that. You have your book, we have ours. We both should understand from the carnage Christianity has created that triumphalism has got to go.

IOW, your messiah, our messiah, anyone's messiah (I don't believe in the concept myself, but that's beside the point) won't get here until we get our act together and start treating each other with respect.

God made all of us. I don't think He gave us different revelations so we could beat each other over the head with them (again, look at the slaughter Christianity has been responsible for). Do the people who preserved science, mathematics, medicine, philosophy, who prized education and rational thinking all through Europe's dark ages really want to turn into a bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics screaming 'my God can beat up your God'?

Didn't think so.

'Nuff said.
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