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2 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 9:41AM #81
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†. Eph 1:15-18 . . I do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers; that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened


The eyes of one's heart are different than the eyes of one's intelligence. What we're looking at in that passage isn't mentality; but rather: intuition; which Webster's defines as the power or faculty of attaining to direct knowledge or cognition without evident rational thought and inference. I'm not talking about Gnosticism here. I'm talking about knowing what the Bible means without it having to be explicit.


For example: in the 45th chapter of Genesis; Joseph broke down sobbing during the reunion with his wicked brothers. Genesis makes no attempt to explain Joseph's feelings because you're supposed to know things like that without someone having to try and explain them to you. That's intuition; viz: people discussing Christianity on internet forums sans the special intuition spoken of in Eph 1:15-18, are like blind men in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there; resulting in perpetual debates and endless bull sessions about heaven and hell that never get to the bottom of anything.


The kind of intuition that Eph 1:15-18 is talking about is a very special kind of intuition that comes from God only; and it's not easy to obtain; for example:


†. Deut 29:2-4 . . Moses summoned all the Israelites and said to them: Your eyes have seen all that The Lord did in Egypt to Pharaoh, to all his officials and to all his land. With your own eyes you saw those great trials, those miraculous signs and great wonders. But to this day The Lord has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear.


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2 years ago  ::  Sep 24, 2015 - 9:31AM #82
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†. Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man, saying: From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.


That passage has always been an embarrassment for Bible thumpers because Adam didn't drop dead the instant he tasted the forbidden fruit. In point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)


So; is there a reasonable explanation for this apparent discrepancy?


Well; first off let me point out that in order for the threat to resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as Adam understood death in his day, not as the Bible thumpers understand death in their day. In other words; Adam didn't expect to die spiritually. No, he expected to die normally; viz: physically; like as in pass away.


How can I be so sure that God meant normal death instead of spiritual death? Because according to Gen 3:19 that's how it worked out; and to make sure Adam stayed normally dead, God blocked his access to the tree of life. (Gen 3:22-24)


Anyway; the trick is: Adam wasn't told he would die the instant he tasted the fruit. God's exact words were "in the day"


Well; according to Gen 2:4, the Hebrew word for "day" is a bit ambiguous. It can easily indicate a period of time much, much longer than 24 hours' viz; the "day" of Adam's death began the moment he ate the fruit.


That was a milestone in human history. Up till Adam tasted the fruit, the only days on record were the six of creation, and the one when God ceased creating. Adam inaugurated a new day by tasting the fruit-- the day of death.


"Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men" (Rom 5:12)


Well; like Jack Palance's character Curly in the movie City Slickers said: "The day ain't over yet"


†. Ecc 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of gaiety, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this seriously.


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2 years ago  ::  Sep 27, 2015 - 9:10AM #83
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†. Gen 2:7 . .Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


That almost appears to be through-the-nose artificial respiration; but even if it was, the attempt would have been futile. Pumping air into a corpse doesn't work. It's been tried and failed. The "breath of life" then, has to be something far more powerful seeing as how it has the ability to make something alive and sentient that on its own would normally remain quite still-- just as still as a log of cord wood.


To this day, no one really knows what life is. Man knows how to keep things alive for a time; but he doesn't as yet know how to make anything come to life. Only in man's fantasies can a little wooden puppet like Pinocchio transform into a real boy.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2015 - 10:53AM #84
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A common interpretation of inspiration is as follows:


†. 2Pet 1:20-21 . . No prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophets themselves or because they wanted to prophesy. It was the Holy Spirit who moved the prophets to speak from God.


That's actually motivation rather than inspiration. This next example is better.


†. 2Tim 3:16 . . All Scripture is inspired by God


The Greek word for "inspired" is theopneustos (theh-op'-nyoo-stos) which is a combination of theo which means God, and pneustos which means to inflate: as in blowing up a balloon or a soccer ball.


Theopneustos is probably about as close as you'll get for a Greek word corresponding to Gen 2:7 where it's stated:


"Then Yhvh God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."


"breathed into" is pretty much what theopneustos says. But the breath of life isn't artificial respiration. Pumping air into a corpse doesn't work. It's been tried. The breath of life is a mysterious energy with enough power to even make solid rock sentient and aware. (Luke 3:8)


What all this means is: scripture is more than just text-- God has willed scripture to have a peculiar kind of life all its own.


†. Heb 4:12-13 . . For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Scripture, then, is a divine agent: it speaks about God, it speaks for God, and it speaks as God. In a manner of speaking then: scripture can be thought of as a close encounter.


"In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance for every one of us. Through the spiritual dynamism and prophetic force of the Bible, the Holy Spirit spreads His light and His warmth over all men, in whatever historical or sociological situation they find themselves." (Paulus PP VI, from the Vatican, September 18, 1970)


Paulus PP VI said it well. So then: when people listen to the Bible, they listen to God; and when they mock and ridicule the Bible, they mock and ridicule God.


FYI: Ironically, it was the power of the voice of God on the pages of the Bible that motivated me to part company with Roman Catholicism.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2015 - 10:16AM #85
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Lord, save me!


Those three words are reputed to be the shortest prayer in the Bible. It's located at Mtt 14:30.


You know; it's a good thing that the length of one's prayer is unimportant seeing as how Peter might have been ten feet under before he finished reciting even one Our Father or a Hail Mary.


†. Mtt 6:7-8 . .When you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2015 - 8:59AM #86
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†. Jude 1:7 . . Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, gave themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh


The koiné Greek word for "fornication" in Jude's statement is ekporneuo (ek porn-yoo'-o) which means: to be utterly unchaste.


A lack of chastity is exemplified by a broad spectrum of unholy carnality including, but not limited to adultery, incest, living together, casual sex, swinger sex, wife swapping, sex between consenting adults, sex between consenting minors, sex between teachers and consenting students, sex with a sex toy, sex with a mannequin and/or sex with an inflatable doll, etc. To be "utterly" unchaste implies not just a preference for those kinds of sexual behaviors, but an addiction to them.


The word for "strange" is heteros (het'-er-os) which means: other or different. That could be taken to indicate bestiality but I think what it really refers to is unnatural sex; in other words: men sleeping with women, and vice versa, isn't strange but rather quite the norm. But men sleeping with men, and/or women sleeping with women is rather strange; viz: queer; which Webster's defines as: unconventional; in other words out of the ordinary.


Now; maybe the men of Sodom weren't gay; but their preference for the males instead of the females under Lot's roof indicate that they were at the least Bi. Since one is just as unconventional as the other then I really see no significant difference between the two. A man, or a woman, need not be psychologically LGBT to fall under the condemnation of going after strange flesh just so long as they go after it.


Mr. Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty got himself in hot water for taking a stand against certain kinds of sexual conduct. Though his comments were politically unacceptable, Mr. Robertson is on good solid Christian ground because LGBT are depicted in the Bible as shameful, indecent, and unnatural.


†. Rom 1:26-27 . . God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men.


Now, there are folk who would love nothing better than to construe those remarks as hate speech; but if they do, I should hope they have better sense than to come after me because I'm not the bad guy: the author of Romans is their bad guy. I'm the author of neither the Bible nor of Christianity; and if some people aren't adult enough to discuss Christianity on a biblical level, then maybe they shouldn't be on a forum where Christianity is out in the open.


I've seen people on the internet attempt to tone down Rom 1:26-27 by construing it to be speaking of cult prostitution. Well; that doesn't fly. The language and grammar of that entire section from Rom 1:18 down to, and including Rom 2:1 is a per se indictment against the entire human race. In other words: though someone may not be LGBT, nevertheless they'll find themselves accused of something somewhere in that indictment right along with the LGBT.


You know; I am really curious how in the world LGBT obtained so much respectability. I mean; for centuries their manner of life was deemed extremely inappropriate, and now all of a sudden it has Federal protections as if LGBTs are on some sort of endangered species list.


Speaking of chastity: back in the decade of the 1950's, my sister, while in high school, got herself knocked-up out of wedlock. So our parents whisked her off to an out-of-state aunt until her baby was born; after which she gave it up for adoption. You see, in those days pre-marital conception was a disgrace; but nowadays celebrities go on talk shows to boast about their illegitimate children; even babies conceived with other people before their divorces are final; which is a double whammy of adultery and shame.


But according to biblical Christianity, there's a reckoning coming when all manner of scripturally unapproved carnal behaviors will finally be put in a right perspective.


†. 2Pet 2:6 . . He turned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes-- condemned them to destruction --making them an example to those who afterward would live impiously.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 12, 2015 - 10:17AM #87
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Everybody has problems with proclivities; which Webster's defines as inclinations or predispositions toward something: especially strong inherent inclinations toward something objectionable. Everybody also has problems with predilections; which Webster's defines as a natural liking for something; viz: a natural tendency to do or to be attracted to something.


†. Eph 2:2-4 . .We too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.


With a pronoun like "we" Paul included himself as someone with natural-born longings and desires for bad things. And the pronoun "all" precludes the possibility of any one Christian claiming to be born free of a strong inherent inclination toward something objectionable and/or a tendency to do, or to be attracted to, something bad.


The point is: unless something were done to remedy LGBT predilections and proclivities none of them would qualify for citizenship in either the new cosmos or the holy city depicted in the 21st chapter of Revelation. All would be barred entry even though Christ gave his life to atone for LGBT conduct.


The problem is: forgiven LGBT would go right on as LGBT just like always because their predilections and proclivities would drive them to it; and were they to suppress their LGBT predilections and proclivities for very long; I think they would eventually go mad with a nervous break down because they would be fighting against nature; which everybody instinctively knows is a fight that can't be won without suffering serious psychological consequences.


So then, it's futile to tell LGBT to stop acting that way when the problem is not their conduct; no, their conduct is merely a symptom; and as every informed person knows: you don't treat an illness by treating its symptoms-- that method has been proven ineffective.


God's remedy for LGBT is pretty extreme. He doesn't remove the LGBT's longings and desires; instead He regards the natural born LGBT's condition as so far gone that it can't be treated. In other words: He throws the baby out with the bath water, so to speak, and starts from scratch with a new baby.


†. John 3:3 . . I tell you the truth: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.


The birth about which Christ spoke isn't an option; no, it's a must.


†. John 3:7 . .You must be born again.


That goes for everybody, not just LGBT, because Christ said "no one" can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again; which of course has to include all the holy people in the Old Testament too or otherwise "no one" has no useful meaning.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2015 - 8:40AM #88
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†. Gen 18:23 . . Abraham said: Will You sweep away the innocent along with the guilty?


The answer to that of course is a resounding YES!


†. Deut 5:9 . . I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me.


A parent's progeny isn't held responsible for their parent's conduct, but they do become collateral damage when God goes after the parents. For example the Flood. No doubt quite a few underage children drowned in that event due to their parents' wickedness. The same happened to any an all the children in Sodom and Gomorrah. And in moving against Pharaoh, God moved against everything that pertained to him; including, but not limited to, his entire country.


A horrific example of the principle of collateral damage is located at Num 16:25-34, and more at 2Sam 21:1-9; and would have occurred at Nineveh too had not the parents repented at Jonah's preaching. In point of fact, the principle of collateral damage is evident throughout the Old Testament where the lives of innocent children were effected not "for" their parents' sins; but rather: due to their parents' sins.


Personally; I feel very strongly that punishing a parent's conduct by taking it out on their innocent progeny is a cruel way of getting back at people. However; I'm resigned to cope with God's rather strange way of administering justice because that's just the way He is; and there's nothing that I, a puny little organic creature, can do about it; and besides: it's risky to challenge God because dissent is a crime in His realm.


Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker (Isa 45:9)


But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? (Rom 9:20)


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2015 - 8:58AM #89
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I often encounter rational people who have come to the logical conclusion-- quite correctly --that God has set the bar too high; that He's made it humanly impossible to attain the kingdom of God; so what's the point of even trying.


And there are others who have decided that as bad as hell might be, it would be even worse to squander this life in self denial and quite possibly end up going to hell anyway. Those people have decided that it's better to live a life of pleasure here and a life of no pleasure there, rather than run the risk of having no pleasure in both places. I have to agree: that would be sad.


A third classification of folk are in a clash of wills with God. In other words: they are so determined not to give in to God's demands that they would rather be cremated alive than do so. In their minds: if they give in; then God will win; which for them is not only unacceptable; but thoroughly intolerable. Those people are tough; just as tough as the anti-commie crowd who proudly announce: Better dead than Red, and/or the pro-gun people who defiantly announce: If you want my guns; you'll have to pry them loose from my cold, dead fingers.


I'm not saying it's bad to be anti-commie, nor bad to be pro-gun. I'm just using those people's attitude to illustrate the bitter impasse going on between God and those who would rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.


Then there are people who have chosen hell over the kingdom of God because they'll be more at home in hell-- they'll fit in; but in the kingdom they wouldn't fit in.


And like they say: birds of a feather flock together; viz: some prefer the company of certain kinds of rather unsavory folk; and people in the kingdom will be so heavenly minded that they'd no fun to be with at all. In addition; people in hell are free to speak their minds, and use all the purple epithets, double entendres, colorful metaphors, and F-bombs that they want; but in the kingdom, people have to be careful with their choice of words.


So you see; for some folk hell is the better choice; and were they to end up in the kingdom of God instead; I think they would actually be very disappointed.


You really have to kind of envy people who've made hell their choice rather than their luck. At least they know where they're going when they pass on and have mentally prepared themselves for the worst; but the approximately 1.2 billion Catholics currently working towards their salvation as per Rome's interpretation of Php 2:12-- and the approximately 8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses doing the same --haven't a clue where they're headed. They're hoping for the best; while in the back of their minds dreading the worst because for people working towards their salvation, the kingdom of God, is never a sure thing. In point of fact, the Roman catechism prohibits Catholics from taking the kingdom for granted.


Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16: If anyone says that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation, let him be anathema.


Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses who fail to adequately work towards their salvation will be cruelly heckled without mercy in hell by the very people that they at one time condemned as unfit to inherit the kingdom of God. The mockers will taunt and sing: "Hey Christian! how about give us the gospel ay? Tell us about the glories of the kingdom of God."


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2015 - 10:33AM #90
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†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.


Q: What happens to born-again Christians who stop listening to Christ and stop believing in God who sent him? Do they then lose eternal life, end up condemned for their sins, and pass back from life into death?


A: The question is based upon an inadequate knowledge of the qualities of eternal life.


1• There has never been a time when eternal life didn't exist because it's the kind of life that sustains God; viz: eternal life always was, it always is, and it always shall be. In other words: eternal life is an imperishable kind of life that's impervious to death, decay, and the aging process. Were that not true, it would be possible to assassinate God.


That being the case, then eternal life is impervious to the wages of sin. No matter how many times they sin, nor how serious their sins, people with eternal life cannot lose it any more than God can.


2• Truly born-again Christians are incapable of rejecting Christ's message and/or disbelieving in God.


†. 1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


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