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Switch to Forum Live View How are you and your parish living the Baptismal Covenant?
2 years ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 6:31PM #1
singer_rcp
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It seems to me that we have had enough theological arguments for awhile.  So I'm starting this thread on something much more practical.  I'm particularly interested in hearing about how you as individuals and the parishes you attend are living the Baptismal Covenant, with emphasis on the practical last 3 questions.

Will you proclaim by word and example the Good News of God in Christ?

Will you seek and serve Christ in all persons, loving your neighbor as yourself?

Will you strive for justice and peace among all people and respect the dignity of every human being?


My parish works with the local homeless shelter, doing dinners twice a month for all residents.  The food and time are donated by the parish community.

In addition, I facilitate a group for people grieving deaths every Monday, nine months of the year which is open to the entire community. 

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2 years ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 8:30PM #2
Dutch777
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Singer,


At the beginning of the 20th. century TEC embraced the Social Gospel with the Herculian  tenacity of an octopus groping a giant clam.  TEC is known for its executing the Mt.25 gospel mandates aka "the corporal works of mercy".  TEC is so committed to the Social Gospel that wingnuts actually criticize us for this. 


So --- is there any serious question about TECies feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the shut-ins, and doing all manner of needful things for needy people?

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2 years ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 8:59PM #3
GRobit625
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I think most of the problem in the church today is because the focus has largely been reduced to that last question instead of the entire baptismal covenant.


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2 years ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 9:20PM #4
LitanyoftheSaints
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May 29, 2012 -- 8:59PM, GRobit625 wrote:


I think most of the problem in the church today is because the focus has largely been reduced to that last question instead of the entire baptismal covenant.





Huh? Care to elaborate on this?



My small, but active church has an active outreach  program that is involved with the local food bank, plus we collect food for the needy all year long, we also donate to 2 homeless shelters and collect fleece blankets for cancer patients.



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2 years ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 9:22PM #5
GRobit625
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May 29, 2012 -- 9:20PM, LitanyoftheSaints wrote:


May 29, 2012 -- 8:59PM, GRobit625 wrote:


I think most of the problem in the church today is because the focus has largely been reduced to that last question instead of the entire baptismal covenant.





Huh? Care to elaborate on this?



My small, but active church has an active outreach  program that is involved with the local food bank, plus we collect food for the needy all year long, we also donate to 2 homeless shelters and collect fleece blankets for cancer patients.







I'll elaborate. How many people bother quoting other parts of the covenant besides those parts that the OP mentioned?

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2 years ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 5:12PM #6
JimRigas
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That is a very impressive program, Nino.  How large is your congregation, and did you not run into any zoning problerms regarding housing people in your church?

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 10:38PM #7
a_dancer
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Once a month, I'm the Greeter at my church's food pantry.


Many of our patrons need to be *seen* and are treated with respect and compassion.  Pantry volunteers also have the option of offering to put an individual's name on the lists for the prayer chain. (I did this last week for a man who was out of work & who broke down in tears when he mentionned that, on top of that, his dog had died.) 


Since our distribution point is in our chapel, we get comments & questions about both the  building(s) and the worship services we have.  And there is a supply of Bibles to give if someone asks for one.


I think we--in this particular ministry--do much to feed bodies and souls.


BTW, that day we passed out groceries to feed 160 people. [We were open for a 2 hour period.]


 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 1:16PM #8
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Some who want to separate acts of charity from preaching the gospel are not new.  They believe that it is important to save a person's soul  from eternal damnation.  The only way to "save" a person is to convert the person to the Christian Faith [which for them is a set of beliefs about God, Jesus, sin, grace, judgement and life after death].  It is a waste of time to point out that these beliefs where developed after Jesus and only related to Jesus' mission as a later innovation of the living community he founded. 


During the Potato Famine pious Irish Protestants would offer soup to the starving Irish Catholics.  They require the Catholics to listen to their sermons, and "convert", in order to receive food from their mission.  This vile practice was later known as Souperism.


That is the same spiritual heresy that some traditionalists are committing when they argue that the Church is spending too much time preaching on social justice and not enough on "the gospel".  The gospel has everything to do with social justice and compassion, and really nothing to do with getting saved from Hell and damnation or sexual morality.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 2:11PM #9
Dutch777
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Re: "souperism" --- the missionaries did a similar practice in China.  They offered a bowl of rice to Chinese who were willing to convert --- hence "rice Christians".  IMVHO, it's a totally anti-gospel and sleezy practice.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 03, 2012 - 12:33AM #10
GRobit625
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Some people should really have some integrity and just go ahead and join the ranks of the 38,000+.



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