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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 9:19PM #1
Nino0814
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There are few examples of more successful memes than that of the honor of martydom or persecution in the pursuit of one's Faith.  Dying for our Faith is not something most of us thankfully will need to face, yet some Christians so honor this dedication to Faith that they are willing to exaggerate the risks, or to even encourage it.   

Here is an example of one church's attempt to implant the meme in their youth group:  www.religionnews.com/faith/clergy-and-co...

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 2:24PM #2
Roodog
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 9:19PM, Nino0814 wrote:


There are few examples of more successful memes than that of the honor of martydom or persecution in the pursuit of one's Faith.  Dying for our Faith is not something most of us thankfully will need to face, yet some Christians so honor this dedication to Faith that they are willing to exaggerate the risks, or to even encourage it.   

Here is an example of one church's attempt to implant the meme in their youth group:  www.religionnews.com/faith/clergy-and-co...





I have done two short stints on the mission field, which my church has encouraged for years and still is extending opportunity for the laity to engage in. Usually it is edifying and encouraging local believers or building a needed facility like a school or clinic. However, much of this is done in the third world where our safety is not guaranteed.


During my first trip to Mexico our vehicle was stopped by a military road block and lots of nervous soldiers were pointing loaded guns in our direction. The possibility of being shot will really make you count the cost.

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

St. Thomas Aquinas

If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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3 days ago  ::  Dec 19, 2014 - 11:20PM #3
Nino0814
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I was reading a piece written by a Christian who "leaned left" politically.  This person believed the Jesus would support his progressive causes.  I fully expect Christians to wonder what Jesus would say and think if he were today - otherwise, why bother with Christianity.  What surprises me is how radically different Christians can see Jesus.  I assumed that some got Jesus right while others got Jesus wrong, but perhaps Dawkins idea about memes better explains why we see such radically different Christian views.  


Dawkins view can be read in the link found in the initial post. He explains how cultural practices and ideas (i.e., ,memes) spread  through society in ways similar to living organisms (they cooperate with others memes to increase their likelihood of survival).


Originally Christianity was against the dominant culture and its power structure, but later aligned with it. Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism were fully aligned with the political powers of their day, but there were counter cultural movements in their churches that rejected this view.  Christianity in its purist form is able to cooperate with very different ideas, and does so to propagate itself.  That is why you have Christian Churches like TEC and Westboro Baptist.  Perhaps one is more possessd by nonChristian memes than the Christian meme, but both are "attemtps" by the Christian meme to replicate via cooperation.


Christianity + civil rights + environmentalism + social justice = TEC


Christianity + bibicalism + patriarchy + separatism = Westboro Baptist


I would appreicaite your thoughts on this idea.

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