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1 year ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 9:12AM #131
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#126 – FUNDAMENTALS OR BASIS OF BELIEF – Thomas Griffith


“We will get good out of evil. Our gracious Educator does evolve for us out of corruption, temptation and sin, new purposes, new skill, new triumphs. 


Beyond the overruling of intermediate evil into subserviency to a higher good, what has been superinduced as a transition state of things is therefore seen to be necessary only for a time. It will pass away with the functions which it is made to fulfill. It will at last be superseded by the highest good for everyone.”

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1 year ago  ::  May 11, 2012 - 8:21AM #132
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#127 – DOOMED TO BE SAVED – Frances Power Cobbe


“I think if we were not caught in the meshes of that wretched Augustinian scheme of theology which postulates eternal hell to compel us to accept it, -- I think, I say, if it were not for this theology, all Christendom must have long ago come to see, that, at the very least, God feels towards a sinner as a saint would do, and not as a man less good, or wise, or merciful. 


We do not think man’s evil can, in the long run of the ages, finally outspeed God’s ever-pursuing mercy. He must overtake us sooner or later. We may temporarily choose evil rather than good, and vileness instead of nobleness, and be ungrateful and sinful. But God will get the better of us at last.”

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1 year ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 8:05AM #133
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#128 - This is a thrilling poem by Matthew Arnold, keeping in mind the following fact.


Universalism was The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years


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As students of the history of Christian doctrine know, among believers in eternal torment, Tertullian was one of the most extreme. That is why I think this poem is so powerful. It sent a thrill up and down my spine. Smile 


“He saves the sheep, the goats he doth not save!”


So rang Tertullian’s sentence, on the side


Of that unpitying Phrygian sect which cried, --


“Him can no fount of fresh forgiveness lave


Who sins, once washed by the baptismal wave!”


So spake the fierce Tertullian. But she sighed,


The infant church, of love she felt the tide


Stream on her from her Lord’s yet recent grave,


And then she smiled, and in the Catacombs,


With eye suffused, but heart inspired true,


On those walls subterranean, where she hid


Her head in ignominy, death and tombs,


She her Good Shepherd’s hasty image drew,


And on His shoulders, not a lamb, a kid.

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1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 9:13AM #134
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#129 – A POEM BY A.G. CAMPBELL


I deem they greatly err, who hold


That He Who made the human soul,


Will not its destinies control


For final good – but, wrathful, fold


It in the shrouds of hopeless woe,


Of deathless gloom, of quenchless fire,


The creatures of His vengeful ire,


Whence it can never ransom know.


 


So, in the world to come, His love


Shall freely unto all abound;


Even prisoners in the depths profound


Shall see His kind face beam above


Their dreary cells, and hear His voice,


Unheeded once, in mercy call, --


“Turn, turn to Me and live!” and all


Shall hear the summons and rejoice.


 


Lost men, lost angels, shall return, --


Satan himself be purified;


Death shall be conquered in his pride,


And hell’s fierce fires shall cease to burn.


Then shall our God be All in all –


His love bear universal sway;


His love preserves all souls for aye,


Nor shall the weakest fear a fall.

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1 year ago  ::  May 14, 2012 - 8:55AM #135
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#130 – FROM A SERMON ON UNIVERSALISM – Stopford A. Brooke


“That Christ should have descended to assume the nature of all men, only to cast them away as refuse to be burned, does so contradict His revelation that it is no wonder that the idea of everlasting damnation should have destroyed men’s belief. 


No, the earthly dead will move on, a mighty stream to mingle in the ocean of the righteousness of God, on that far off but certain day when God will be All in all.”

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1 year ago  ::  May 15, 2012 - 6:38AM #136
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#131 – ENIGMAS OF LIFE, POSTSCRIPTUM – W.R. GREG


“Given a hell of torment and despair for millions of our friends and fellow men, can the good enjoy heaven except by becoming bad, -- miraculously changed and changed deplorably for the worst. In a word, putting on, along with the white garments of the redeemed, a coldness and hardness of heart? Does not this simple reflection suffice to disperse into thin air the current notions of a world of everlasting pain?”

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1 year ago  ::  May 16, 2012 - 8:24AM #137
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#132 – THE SHAKING OF HEAVEN AND EARTH – Charles Kingsley


“We do not deny that the wages of sin is death. We do not deny the necessity and certainty of punishment. Only tell us not that it must be endless, and thereby destroy its whole purpose. We too believe in an eternal fire, but we believe its existence to be not a curse but a blessing. That fire is God Himself Who taketh away the sins of the world, and of Whom it is therefore written, ‘Our God is a consuming fire.”

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1 year ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 9:14AM #138
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#133 – POEM BY HELEN BRONTE


There lives within my heart,


A hope long nursed by me;


And should its cheering ray depart,


How dark my soul would be.


 


That as in Adam all have died,


In Christ shall all men live;


And ever round His throne abide


Eternal praise to give.


 


That even the wicked shall at last


Be fitted for the skies;


And when their dreadful doom is past


To light and life arise.


 


I ask not how remote the day,


Nor what the sinner’s woe,


Before their dross is purged away;


Enough for me to know,


 


That when the cup of wrath is drained,


The metal purified,


They’ll cling to what they once disdained


And live by Him Who died.

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1 year ago  ::  May 18, 2012 - 9:12AM #139
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#134 – DISPUTED POINTS – George Dawson


“Take the doctrine in which most of you were brought up – that every man who is not saved will go to hell, and that hell is a constant fire whereunto a man must be condemned forever. 


I am told this is in the Scriptures. I can’t find it; but if it were there I would not believe it. I was told that it was so, and I have no doubt I said it was so. But now I disbelieve it. If this is backsliding, I will backslide. 


Well, how came we ever to doubt this horrific doctrine? Not that any commentator with marvelous exegesis showed us that the text did not mean that; -- for I am but little interested in the quibble that the fire burns forever, but that the thing put into the fire burn only so long as it is capable of burning. 


What has put hell fire out is a better understanding of God, and a fuller comprehension of the quality of God’s love. The love of God conquers the assertion of orthodoxy.”

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1 year ago  ::  May 19, 2012 - 9:06AM #140
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#135 – YUSEF – J. Ross Browne


“Oh, ye who are wrapped in the selfishness of a single idea! – ye who bode eternal destruction to others! Look out upon the world and learn that there are millions of human hearts as sincere and devoted as yours, who perceive a divine power great and good and merciful enough to save all, even to the weakest and most benighted.”

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