| 3 years ago :: Jul 08, 2010 - 12:23PM #1 | |
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The part I find funny are bolded.
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| 3 years ago :: Jul 10, 2010 - 10:31AM #2 | |
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This is an interesting call for reunification. But I think it misses the historical mark. This Jesuit seems to be calling on the reconciliation of too recent a history. The question of reunifying the Church in it's global Universal form is not one of history, but philosophy. There is a fundamental question regarding the filioque. That is, in the Creed, the RC has unified the Son to the throne of the Father, making Jesus the absolute God. The OC holds that Jesus is the Incarnate Word of God descended to us. This difference of basic credo has led to many fractures in the historical philosophy of the Roman Catholic Church. Paulism has become too much of an influence.."Jesus IS God Almighty"..(then what of the Father, I thought Jesus was our INTERCESSOR.) The RC does say 'intercessor', but also puts Jesus as original CREATOR with the Father. This is more than a slight difference of philosophy in the end. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jul 10, 2010 - 8:54PM #3 | |
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The Son's position in relation to the Father is NOT the issue in the filioque. The issue is the procession of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does NOT proceed from the Father AND from the Son, for to do so it would relegate Him to a subservient position... a sort of "also ran" in terms of the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit eternally proceeds from the Son and the Son is eternally begotten of the Father... period. This was the original creedal statement and the RC had no business altering it. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jul 11, 2010 - 1:22AM #4 | |
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I agree with Issa that this Jesuit is looking at to much of recent history to think that reunification is possible. Just b/c the anathema's were lifted, what couple of hundred years ago, trading of relics (of which were stolen by papist), and "conferences" does not amount to the kind of unity that is of the interest of the Body of Christ. The "vicar of christ" will have to come off of his high seat and realize the heresy that the roman church has created. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jul 11, 2010 - 4:15AM #5 | |
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I agree. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jul 20, 2010 - 8:57PM #6 | |
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The Orthodox Creed I believe in One God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, and of all things visible and invisible, And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, The only begotten; begotten of the Father before all worlds;
Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made; Of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made.
Who, for us men and for our Salvation, came down from Heaven, And was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, And became man.
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, And suffered and was buried, And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures.
And ascended into Heaven, And sitteth at the right hand of the Father; And He shall come again with glory To judge the living and the dead, And His Kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Sprit, The Lord and Giver of Life who proceedeth from the Father; Who, with the Father and Son together, is worshiped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe in one, holy, universal and apostolic Church, I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the Resurrection of the dead, And the life of the world to come. AMEN |
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| 5 months ago :: Jan 23, 2013 - 4:31PM #7 | |
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Greetings Friends, I am just posting so my favorite threads will appear on my profile forums. I hope you are all well. Best wishes, Rankin. |
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