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Switch to Forum Live View Hi, I am a Southern Baptist and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
8 years ago  ::  May 24, 2010 - 12:53PM #1
Southernbaptist4everlove4trinity
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 Hi and I want to first write I wish all of you the best, I want to know more about the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). I have read a little about the denomination and would like to know a lot more. I respect the things I've read about the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and I believe that we are all true believers in Christ and I love you all and would appreciate feedback. Who knows maybe I will try visiting a Disciples of Christ church, if I do what would I expect?? In Jesus mighty name I wish you brothers and sisters the very best.

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7 years ago  ::  May 24, 2010 - 4:24PM #2
mecdukebec
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What, precisely, do you desire to know?

One of the founders of the Movement, Alexander Campbell, was a member of the Mahoning (Ohio) Valley (Baptist) Association, in the early 19th century.

Mr A.C. preached a fairly sensational "Sermon on the Law," in which he asserted that Christians are not bound by the "Old Law" (i.e. the O.T.).

The Baptists and Bro. Campbell parted ways, not soon after.

The "Reformers" (or, to their dislike, the "Campbellites"), as they called themselves, also published, under Bro. C's aegis, the "Christian Baptist," later the "Millenial Harbinger."

DoCs and Baptists have some things in common, in particular baptism by immersion, but we are not like Southern Baptists, in the sense of being the "national" religion of the South, nor are we so consciously fundagelical as has been the SBC since the 1970s.  However, the DoC was in merger talks with the old "Northern" (today's "American") Baptists in the 1940s.  It never worked out.

DoCs and Baptists in general would probably agree on the Trinity, the centrality of the Bible as the rule of faith, and so on, and in that sense, the similarities are rather obvious.
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7 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2010 - 12:52AM #3
Justly
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I might be mistaken but I thought SBC required immersion while DoC does not re-baptize.

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7 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2010 - 4:12PM #4
Vanessa86
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Sorry to be so late to the debate, but my server in the OKC apartment complex wouldn't allow me on B'Net -- although it would allow porn sites. I don't even WANT to know what they were thinking when they set up their system!  


But back to the question at hand: Welcome to our corner of B'net! A typical service at the DoC churches I have visited and belonged to includes:

  • Communion every Sunday. As Disciples, we believe that's what we as Christians do. Communion is open at all who accept Christ as their savior, whether they belong to the DoC or not.
  • A sermon, ideally on how to apply Scripture to our lives now.
  • Hymns, and if the choir is not on break for part of the summer, a couple of choral pieces.
  • Heartfelt prayer.
  • A commitment to service.

You won't find folks reciting creeds or otherwise hitting you over the head with what to believe and how to demonstrate those beliefs.  Disciples tend to be open to what works and is good in other denominations and faiths -- you will not often find the "my way or the highway" approach.


Hope this helps!


Vanessa

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7 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2010 - 10:45AM #5
Xapisma
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Jun 10, 2010 -- 12:52AM, Justly wrote:


I might be mistaken but I thought SBC required immersion while DoC does not re-baptize.




We Disciples baptize, generally by immersion. But do not require anyone transferring from another denomination to be re-baptized. In fact, most of us, I think, DIScourage rebaptism.


When we baptize, we believe that it is not into the local congregation, nor into the Disciples of Christ. Baptism is the joining of the individual believer into the One Church of Jesus Christ on Earth. To re-baptize is to say that the former church/denomination is NOT genuinely Christian and their baptism is not valid. That is the last thing on earth we would want to say.


We Disciples are deeply committed to the unity of the Church of Jesus Christ. It's part of our Disciple DNA, we like to say.

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7 years ago  ::  Sep 13, 2010 - 1:13AM #6
Justly
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Aug 7, 2010 -- 4:12PM, Vanessa86 wrote:


Sorry to be so late to the debate, but my server in the OKC apartment complex wouldn't allow me on B'Net -- although it would allow porn sites. I don't even WANT to know what they were thinking when they set up their system!  


But back to the question at hand: Welcome to our corner of B'net! A typical service at the DoC churches I have visited and belonged to includes:

  • Communion every Sunday. As Disciples, we believe that's what we as Christians do. Communion is open at all who accept Christ as their savior, whether they belong to the DoC or not.
  • A sermon, ideally on how to apply Scripture to our lives now.
  • Hymns, and if the choir is not on break for part of the summer, a couple of choral pieces.
  • Heartfelt prayer.
  • A commitment to service.

You won't find folks reciting creeds or otherwise hitting you over the head with what to believe and how to demonstrate those beliefs.  Disciples tend to be open to what works and is good in other denominations and faiths -- you will not often find the "my way or the highway" approach.


Hope this helps!


Vanessa





Is Communion held at the beginning of the service before the sermon, music and prayer?


If someone professes Christ Lord and Savior but has yet to be baptized, can they partake in Communion?  I might be mistaken but I believe in UCC it is open to baptized Christians and in TEC to those baptized in the Trinitarian form.  So does DoC take it a step further and say if you profess Christ you are welcome to partake?


Is the prayer time silent prayer or does the congo recite the same prayers?


What occurs in the commitment to service part?  Is it the congo reciting an affirmation to a call to service?


Thanx!


 

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7 years ago  ::  Sep 13, 2010 - 1:21AM #7
Justly
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Sep 10, 2010 -- 10:45AM, Xapisma wrote:


Jun 10, 2010 -- 12:52AM, Justly wrote:


I might be mistaken but I thought SBC required immersion while DoC does not re-baptize.




We Disciples baptize, generally by immersion. But do not require anyone transferring from another denomination to be re-baptized. In fact, most of us, I think, DIScourage rebaptism.


When we baptize, we believe that it is not into the local congregation, nor into the Disciples of Christ. Baptism is the joining of the individual believer into the One Church of Jesus Christ on Earth. To re-baptize is to say that the former church/denomination is NOT genuinely Christian and their baptism is not valid. That is the last thing on earth we would want to say.


We Disciples are deeply committed to the unity of the Church of Jesus Christ. It's part of our Disciple DNA, we like to say.





Makes sense.  I think the commitment to unity is great DNA to have.  If only there were closer DoC churches to me and greater settlement on the gay issue, I might have already check you out.  Smile   

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7 years ago  ::  Sep 13, 2010 - 10:58AM #8
Vanessa86
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Hello! To answer a couple of questions:


The order of the service varies from church to church but Communion usually takes place near the middle of the service, often (but not always) just after the sermon.


We usually have a time for silent prayer, plus a prayer or two by a worship leader, and of course the minister. Most I've attended have a short responsive reading, with the reader taking one line and the congregation reading the next one.


As far as I know, we do not deny anyone Communion, as everyone is welcome at the Lord's table. 


The call to service can be simply listed in the bulletin (one church has this line in a box at the end of the worship agenda: "The end of worship ... the beginning of service"),  or there can be a brief statement from the minister.

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7 years ago  ::  Sep 14, 2010 - 12:38PM #9
Xapisma
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It is a true saying, and worthy of all to be believed, that if you visit a different DOC congregation, you will find yet another way to do communion.


Each congregation orders the service as they find best for them. But you will also find two dominant patters. Some congregations are less apt to tinker with their worship patterns, and continue an older order, dating back to the early 1800s in which the service had prayers and hymns, and the Lord's Supper, and then if a preacher were available there would be a sermon.


a growing number, (I would hazzard a guess at a significant majority of the congregations I know)  have reverted to the historical pattern of the early church. Thus you will see a general pattern of


  1. GATHERING - with call to Worship, Invocation prayer, opening hymn, announcements, Pastoral Prayer or Prayer of the People, Gloria Patri, etc.
  2. SERVICE OF THE WORD - Responsive Readings, hymn, Statement of faith (Preamble to the Design more about that later), Psalms, Scripture lessons, Anthem, Sermon, Call to Discipleship.
  3. SERVICE OF THE TABLE - Offering, doxology, Communion hymn, Communion meditation, Communioin prayers, Sharing of the Bread and Cup, post communion prayer.
  4. CLOSING - Closing hymn, benediction, etc.


My congregation follows a pattern that is found in Chalice Worship. It is a DOC interpretaion of the historical liturgy of the ancient church.

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7 years ago  ::  Sep 14, 2010 - 12:45PM #10
Xapisma
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Sep 13, 2010 -- 1:21AM, Justly wrote:


Makes sense.  I think the commitment to unity is great DNA to have.  If only there were closer DoC churches to me and greater settlement on the gay issue, I might have already check you out.     




I am afraid that the "gay issue" will never be satisfactorily settled this side of the Perousia. But we have done a lot of debating and discernment about it, and some congregations have declared themselves "open and affirming" to LGBTQI persons.


GLAD is the alliance of Gay Lesbian and Affirming Disciples (and their families and friends) who are advocating for more acceptance of gay Christians.

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