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8 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2010 - 1:06PM #1
mom-6
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My daughter mentioned seeing a Free Will Baptist Church near where she lives and was wondering exactly what this is. 


I've encountered Southern Baptist, American Baptist and Missionary Baptist (all of which have similarities and differences) and wondered if someone could enlighten me regarding this group.


Thanks!

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2010 - 9:25PM #2
sincerly
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Feb 28, 2010 -- 1:06PM, mom-6 wrote:


My daughter mentioned seeing a Free Will Baptist Church near where she lives and was wondering exactly what this is. 


I've encountered Southern Baptist, American Baptist and Missionary Baptist (all of which have similarities and differences) and wondered if someone could enlighten me regarding this group.  Thanks! 



mom-6, Here is what I found:



Ambassador Free Will Baptist Church
Where salvation is the theme, and Christ is the answer!


776 Clough Pike
Cincinnati, Ohio 45245
(513)752-4882
Pastor: Roland Luthy




 





 




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God--We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Righteous Ruler of the universe. He has revealed Himself in nature, and in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: yet as one God.

Jesus Christ--He is God's unique Son; the only one of a kind. The Scripture teaches that He is God revealed in flesh. In His Divine nature He is truly God and in His human nature truly man. He is the One once crucified for man's sin, the now risen and glorified Savior and Lord who mediates between God and man and who gives us access to the Father through His intercession. None can come to the Father unless they come through Him.


Holy Spirit--All of the attributes of God are ascribed to the Holy Spirit by the Scriptures. It is He who convicts and convinces men of their sin. He also convinces man of that which is right, and that a final day of judgment will come. He, it is, who comes to live in us at conversion, to open our understanding to the Scripture, and to lead us into the truth.


The Bible--God used holy men to write the Scriptures. They are, in both the Old and New Testaments, the very words God intended us to have. They are, as given by God, without error and are our only rule of faith and practice. We profit from them by learning the truth about many things: they also speak to us about wrong doing; they even correct us and get us back on course as well as instructing us in right living.


Man--God created man in a state of innocence. Man, being tempted by Satan, yielded and willfully disobeyed God, becoming a sinner and incurring God's judgment upon sin. All of Adam's descendants inherit his fallen nature and thus have a natural inclination to sin. When one comes to an age of accountability, he is guilty of sinning before God and in need of salvation.


God's Relationship to His Creatures and Creation--God exercises a wise and benevolent providence over all beings and things. He maintains the laws of nature and performs special acts as the highest welfare of mankind and His created order of things require.


Salvation--Man receives pardon and forgiveness for his sins when he admits to God that he is a sinner, when in godly sorrow he turns from them and trusts in the work of Christ as redemption for his sin. This acceptance of God's great salvation involves belief in Christ's death on the cross as man's substitute and the fact of God's raising Him from the dead as predicted. It is a salvation by grace alone and not of works.


Who Can be Saved?--It is God's will that all be saved, but since man has the power of choice, God saves only those who repent of their sin and believe in the work of Christ on the cross. Those who refuse in this life to repent and believe have no later chance to be saved and thus condemn themselves to eternal damnation by their unbelief.


Perseverance--We believe that there are strong grounds to hope that the saved will persevere unto the end and be saved because of the power of divine grace pledged for their support. We believe that any saved person who has sinned (whether we call him a backslider or sinner), but has a desire to repent, may do so and be restored to God's favor and fellowship. Since man, however, continues to have free choice, it is possible because of temptations and the weakness of human flesh for him to fall into the practice of sin and to make shipwreck of his faith and be lost.


Gospel Ordinances--Free Will Baptists believe the Bible teaches three ordinances for the church to practice: Baptism in water by immersion, the Lord's Supper, to be perpetuated until His return, and the Washing of the Saints' feet, an ordinance teaching humility.


Resurrection--Free Will Baptists believe the Scriptures teach the resurrection of the bodies of all men, each in its own order; they that have done good will come forth to the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil to the resurrection of damnation.


Church Government--Free Will Baptist churches enjoy local church autonomy (self-governing). The local church is the highest authority in the denomination. Local churches voluntarily organize themselves into quarterly meetings, district, state, and national associations for the purpose of promoting the cause of Christ on the local, state, district, national, and world-wide level.


Christ's Second Coming--The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ, who ascended on high and sits at the right hand of God, will come again to close the Gospel dispensation, glorify His saints, and judge the world.


Missions--Free Will Baptists believe that Jesus commanded the church to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. 


For an in-depth study of Free Will Baptist beliefs and practices, click on this link to view a copy of the Free Will Baptist Treatise.


Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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8 years ago  ::  Mar 31, 2010 - 2:47PM #3
davelaw40
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Free Will Baptists are Arminian in theology believing that is possible for a "saved" Christian to sin without repentance and thereby lose his salvation.

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 31, 2010 - 10:59PM #4
sincerly
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Mar 31, 2010 -- 2:47PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Free Will Baptists are Arminian in theology believing that is possible for a "saved" Christian to sin without repentance and thereby lose his salvation.





David, that is what they posted: Perseverance--We believe that there are strong grounds to hope that the saved will persevere unto the end and be saved because of the power of divine grace pledged for their support. We believe that any saved person who has sinned (whether we call him a backslider or sinner), but has a desire to repent, may do so and be restored to God's favor and fellowship. Since man, however, continues to have free choice, it is possible because of temptations and the weakness of human flesh for him to fall into the practice of sin and to make shipwreck of his faith and be lost."


Isn't that what Paul says in Gal.2:17-18????  "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.  For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. "


Also, 1John 2:1, "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 


And Heb. 6:4-6, "For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame."


Also, look at Paul's own testimony: 1Cor.9:27, "But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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8 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2010 - 12:52PM #5
davelaw40
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castaway as a testimony


But I know whom I believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that Day.


Though we bome faithless: He remains faithful-He can not deny Himself


We become the sons of God through the power of adoption; therefore we cry "Daddy".

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8 years ago  ::  Apr 03, 2010 - 5:43PM #6
sincerly
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Apr 2, 2010 -- 12:52PM, davelaw40 wrote:

  castaway as a testimony



Yes, Dave it is a testimony concerning the Everlasting Gospel of salvation. Paul certainly had no desire to Preach to others(or endure the hardships of the  the race without being a partaker of the same incorruptible crown.) and lose his own salvation. (1Cor.9:18-27)


Apr 2, 2010 -- 12:52PM, davelaw40 wrote:

  But I know whom I believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that Day.



Dave, absolutely in the context of 2 Tim. 1:8-12, "Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;  Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,  But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.  For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."


That's The saving Faith in the Atoning Blood of Jesus Christ and the Forgiving Grace of the Father.(As promised.) And "that day" is "at the last thump" signeling Christ's return and the Resurrection..


Apr 2, 2010 -- 12:52PM, davelaw40 wrote:

 Though we b(ec)ome faithless: He remains faithful-He can not deny Himself.



Dave it seems you missed a part of the context----No, HE will not deny Himself, but will the one who denies HIM.  2Tim.2:10-13, "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.  [It is] a faithful saying: For if we be dead with [him], we shall also live with [him]: If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us: If we believe not, [yet] he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. "


God remains faithful and long-suffering, not willing that any should perish, but that all will come to Repentance". 2Pet.3:9.   As long as there is breath , there is hope of a change in attitude.


Apr 2, 2010 -- 12:52PM, davelaw40 wrote:

 We become the sons of God through the power of adoption; therefore we cry "Daddy".



True, but, the scriptures indicate the "Adoption" is available to those who submit to doing the Father's Will.  The "Hearing and Doing". Rom.2:13-15;  Chap.8; James 2:20

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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8 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2010 - 1:22PM #7
davelaw40
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you are missing a key point of Adoption-once adopted you can not become unadopted

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8 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2010 - 5:16PM #8
sincerly
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Apr 5, 2010 -- 1:22PM, davelaw40 wrote:


you are missing a key point of Adoption-once adopted you can not become unadopted





David, you are missing the key point of SIN.  Since the "True" Children can be Guilty of disobedience, so can "adopted ones" choose not to "Abide". Rom.11:18-22, "


For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee."


Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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8 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2010 - 2:11PM #9
davelaw40
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Apr 5, 2010 -- 5:16PM, sincerly wrote:


Apr 5, 2010 -- 1:22PM, davelaw40 wrote:


you are missing a key point of Adoption-once adopted you can not become unadopted





David, you are missing the key point of SIN.  Since the "True" Children can be Guilty of disobedience, so can "adopted ones" choose not to "Abide". Rom.11:18-22, "


For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee."





and He won't spare from judging works-but the same passages indicate dthat the Natural Branches are grafted back in-"that ALL of Israel might be saved"


 


ALL is a really big word

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8 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2010 - 2:14PM #10
davelaw40
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under the Roman concept of adoption - Natural children could be disinherited-Adopted children could not


 


the prodigal son was still the son of the father in the parable despite the fact that he had previously squandered his  inheritence

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