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8 years ago  ::  Feb 17, 2010 - 2:47PM #1
CalKnox
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A new organization of Biblical Presbyerians is forming in the PCUSA:


 


biblicalpresbyterians.net/

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8 years ago  ::  Feb 24, 2010 - 6:46PM #2
sterrettc
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It seems, though, that this is only for the conservative biblical presbyterians and not the liberal biblical presbyterians.

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8 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2010 - 3:57PM #3
CalKnox
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Feb 24, 2010 -- 6:46PM, sterrettc wrote:


It seems, though, that this is only for the conservative biblical presbyterians and not the liberal biblical presbyterians.




By "liberal biblical presbyterians" do you mean those who do not read the Bible as the final and unique authority, but interpret, evaluate and apply it by some external standard?




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8 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2010 - 6:50PM #4
sterrettc
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Feb 27, 2010 -- 3:57PM, CalKnox wrote:


By "liberal biblical presbyterians" do you mean those who do not read the Bible as the final and unique authority, but interpret, evaluate and apply it by some external standard?




No, I mean those whose reading of the Bible and whose acceptance of its unique authority lead them to support the liberal side of some or all of the controversies facing the church today.


 

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2010 - 12:24AM #5
CalKnox
Posts: 330

Mar 1, 2010 -- 6:50PM, sterrettc wrote:


Feb 27, 2010 -- 3:57PM, CalKnox wrote:


By "liberal biblical presbyterians" do you mean those who do not read the Bible as the final and unique authority, but interpret, evaluate and apply it by some external standard?




No, I mean those whose reading of the Bible and whose acceptance of its unique authority lead them to support the liberal side of some or all of the controversies facing the church today.


 




Which can only be done by a partial reading, allowing the part to interpret the whole, or imposing some external truth upon the part or whole.  None or these read and accept the Bible as the whole counsel of God.  If this is incorrect, give an example of the alternative reading and application of the Bible.




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8 years ago  ::  Mar 21, 2010 - 10:44PM #6
DeweyCMH
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Feb 24, 2010 -- 6:46PM, sterrettc wrote:


It seems, though, that this is only for the conservative biblical presbyterians and not the liberal biblical presbyterians.




Bears repeating. Long ago, the term "Biblical" became co-opted by some of our brothers and sisters to simply be another term for "conservative." It just isn't so. And frankly, I very quickly get tired of some conservative brethren who want to tell me that my own regard for scripture - which leads to some views considered conservative, and others considered liberal - is less sincere, studied, or truly "Biblical" than their own.

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8 years ago  ::  Apr 01, 2010 - 11:00PM #7
CalKnox
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One who believes and obeys the second ordination vow of PCUSA-


“Do you accept the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be, by the Holy Spirit, the unique and authoritative witness to Jesus Christ in the Church universal, and God’s Word
to you?”


-can be regarded as a “biblical Christian.”


No doubt, no one is perfectly “biblical” in that all his views perfectly conform to God’s perfect revelation.  However, he will agree that the scriptures are the unique and authoritative standard for determining what is God’s perfect truth.


No doubt, various Christians try to coopt the word “biblical” to cover their own particular views, liberal or conservative.  This does not make them so.  The test is the final authority in such matters.


The critical words here are “unique” and “authoritative.”  These exclude any outside standard which distinguishes some part of scripture as the key for understanding the rest, or becomes the measure of any of scripture.  Unique and authoritative require the whole Bible alone to be the sufficient standard for determining the proper interpretation of the part.


Someone labeling their views as “biblical” does not make it so.  One must consider their arguments from scripture alone, and offer a valid counter argument or acknowledge the validity of their interpretation.

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8 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2010 - 3:25AM #8
Merrill48
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Apr 1, 2010 -- 11:00PM, CalKnox wrote:


The critical words here are “unique” and “authoritative.”  These exclude any outside standard which distinguishes some part of scripture as the key for understanding the rest, or becomes the measure of any of scripture.  Unique and authoritative require the whole Bible alone to be the sufficient standard for determining the proper interpretation of the part.




But may not reasonable, faithful, people disagree about that interpretation? Especially since 'the whole Bible alone' is full of contradictions - 2 creation stories in Genesis and a different Nativity stories in Matthew and Luke,  for example.


Shalom,


Merrill

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8 years ago  ::  Apr 03, 2010 - 3:50PM #9
CalKnox
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Interpretation means the application of grammatical, linguistic and literary tools, considering the context, and arriving at the original meaning of a text.  One who regards the Bible as unique and authoritative will regard the whole of the Bible as the context.


Within this context there will be no contradictions.  A seeming contradiction must be read and understood in the light of qualification of other passages.


For example, are there two creation passages?  If so, what is the author or final editor saying by providing both?  Is it possible we have here an overview and then a detailed presentation of the sixth day of creation?


WCF I:ix, “The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself: and therefore, when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched and known by other places that speak more clearly.”


If one believes the Bible contains irreconcilable contradictions, he can not honestly affirm the 2nd PCUSA ordination vow, and is not a “biblical Presbyterian.”

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2014 - 11:29AM #10
Talbott
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I find it interesting 4 years after this post the "Biblical Presbyterians" [sic] and this website no longer exist.....
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