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5 years ago  ::  Jul 21, 2009 - 6:09PM #21
Bevo
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Again, from a web site that describes Calvin's view of the Breaking of the Bread:


bolsinger.blogs.com/weblog/2005/03/calvi...


"But... it cannot be emphasized strongly enough that for Calvin, the sacraments are the primary way in which the real presence of the Risen Christ establishes, maintains, nourishes and empowers, through the Holy Spirit, a transforming union with the believer. "Nothing short of true and full communion with the crucified and risen Christ is what is at stake...in the sacrament."(Institutes, 4.17.12)"


Obviously, this communicates the Real Presence position. 

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 21, 2009 - 8:04PM #22
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I will look into the matter further, this was not my experience in the Presbyterian Church which was my home for five years.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 21, 2009 - 9:23PM #23
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Again, I think it is determined by which "flavor" of the Presbyterian church you come.  But in terms of the "classic" Calvinist view, my understanding is he held to the Real Presence view.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 21, 2009 - 11:29PM #24
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We need to go to the Presbyterians and ask them. They have their own forum.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2009 - 11:45AM #25
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Jul 21, 2009 -- 12:05PM, Roodog wrote:


Thanks ,Campbellite, for your kind responses.


The Lord's Table: Sacrament or Ordinance?




Depends on which Disciple you ask.


I say sacrament, and I am by no means alone.


Others will say ordinance. Or memorial meal.


 


There is no general consensus on this one.


What we DO agree on is this:


"At the table of the Lord, we celebrate with thanksgiving the saving acts and presence of Christ."  - from the Preamble to The Design.*


 


 


*The Design is our denomination's governing document.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2009 - 2:33PM #26
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"...and presence of Christ."  - from the Preamble to The Design.


This clearly communicates a sacramental view and the view of Real Presence.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 23, 2009 - 10:44AM #27
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That's what I take it to mean, Bevo.

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