| 4 years ago :: Feb 19, 2009 - 2:58AM #51 | |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 19, 2009 - 10:03AM #52 | |
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MOKSHA8088:
That may be the case, but I would prefer that Church remain a spiritual vehicle rather than a partisan political action committee. UWUWM: Mok, what can I say? I don't disagree with you. But I think since the foundation of this country politics and religion have been intertwined so much that it may be impossible to change that. Whether it be liberal or conservative religion, it's still religion. I think that is why the founding fathers fought so hard to try to keep them seperate, because they saw that this may happen doen the road, that religion would guide politics, and politics would guide religion. It isn't only our Church that backed Prop 8 (for example) Baptists, Catholics, and Evangelicals also helped back Prop 8. There were other liberal churches that opposed Prop 8, United Methodists, American Episcopals, Universalists, and Presbyterians. We seems to see "religion" especially Christianity as "the conservative voice" in america, but there are as many Liberal Christian Churches working to counter that which the more conservative ones are trying to impose. Religion is NO LONGER the old conservative way. Now Religion has a counter movement win in it's self. So, religion is just as involved in liberal politics as it is in conservative politics. But... It's still NOT seperated! |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 23, 2009 - 2:33AM #53 | |
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In reading the messages here I would just like to point out some errors. First, a majority of Democrats voted against "authorizing use of force." Has anyone read the statement made by Hillary Clinton accompanying her vote? Her vote was not for unilateral or pre-emption. Her vote was for Bush to use force only as a last resort if Saddam refused to comply or be disarmed. The vote took place in Oct. 2002. Saddam let UN Weapons Inspectors back into Iraq Nov. 2002. By March 2003, they had inspected roughly 100 of 600 sites, reported Saddam was cooperating with the inspectors, allowing them to inspect where they requested at a moment's notice. Weapons Inspectors had found nothing and wanted more time, but had to leave because Bush was going ahead with the invasion.
Secondly, Barney Frank is not to blame for the mortgage crisis. In 2005, Frank, as the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee (Republican majority) worked with Republican Chairman Oxley on the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005, which would have established the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) to replace the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) as overseer of the activities of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. After voting for the bill in committee, Frank voted against final passage of the bill on the House floor, stating that he was doing so because an amendment to the bill on the House floor imposed restrictions on the kinds of nonprofit organizations that could receive funding under the bill. It was only in 2007 when Democrats became the majority that legislation finally passed and was signed by Pres. Bush in 2008 increasing oversight of Fannie Mae/Mac. Lawrence Lindsey, a former economic advisor to Pres. Bush said Barney Frank was the only polititian he knew who argued for tighter rules which would intentionally create more renters than homeowners. Lastly, Pres. Clinton did sign the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (all Republicans), opposing Democrats, which further deregulated the banking-financial industry, repealing the Glass-Steagall Act. The economic crisis was created by actions/inaction of Democrats and Republicans. To blame it entirely on one party or the other is inaccurate/dishonest. Hannity and Limbaugh are blatant liars. It is very disheartening to me to hear Congessional leaders such as Bonehert and Cantor parrot their lies. What has happened to the Republican Party? |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 23, 2009 - 4:43AM #54 | |
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Anyone else have the sinking feeling that Fanny Mae/Mac and all involved in that scenario are just the ones taking the fall for a crisis and a "secret combination" so in control and on top of these events that everyone who barely glimpses what might be behind it all is terrified to acknowledge it. It feels like we are grasping on for our very lives to the tail end of what will turn out to be an undefeatable dinosaur who has desires we cannot comprehend--except that they are not going to spell peace and happiness for us. It is like someone has decided that that will be what the press will focus on--deflect deflect deflect.
That could be just me though. Anytime the press gets overly into a particular thread I start really feeling like we are being distracted from the truth. Just the midnight ramblings of a silly girl. Wondering if anyone else is feeling the same way. |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 27, 2009 - 2:48PM #55 | |
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Nope. I think we're all just a bunch of babies. To hear all these chicken littles wailing into the night, you'd think we'd never been down this road before. Ah, but we have. They just didn't think the same choices would produce the same results. This is how Republicans keep getting elected, on a platform of reducing the deficit. Reagan left us in the red. Clinton left us with a surplus. What happened to that surplus. Oh yeah, W spent it. Big surprise! The Republicans are just doing what they always do. They cry, "Tax breaks!" And why? Because they represent the richest people in the country. Tax breaks help their constituency. Not every Republican is a Richie Rich. Many are just wannabes. And then the party has expanded its base by appealing to the redneck vote. Cry abortions, guns, family values and war. That normally gets a few votes. Until we've spent ourself into a quagmire. Nice going, guys. I'm up to my ears in Elephant Dung. I don't want to hear any more Republican lectures on fiscal responsibility. |
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 27, 2009 - 8:54PM #56 | |
As I mentioned before the purge, most of Clinton's "surplus" only ever existed on paper. This is because the surplus was merely a projected surplus and not a realized surplus. The projections relied on the combination of the tech bubble remaining afloat (it burst near the end of his term), some financial manipulations by the government, and his finding an excuse to raid Social Security for additional $$$. OTOH, tax receipts nearly doubled under Reagan but accelated government spending ate it all up and then some. Some of that spending, BTW, went for things like SDI and the military, meaning that we benefit from a lot of that to this day.
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 27, 2009 - 9:29PM #57 | |
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Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 28, 2009 - 12:53AM #58 | |
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| 4 years ago :: Mar 02, 2009 - 6:42PM #59 | |
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| 4 years ago :: Mar 05, 2009 - 6:07PM #60 | |
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Hope everyone has not given up on posting on this forum.
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
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