| 5 years ago :: Feb 08, 2008 - 12:37PM #21 | |
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dawngordon,
I do not believe this is a debate board. Your bigoted and uniformed remarks are insulting to many Catholics. You are obviously not a student of comparative religion. Read some of Scott Hahn's books on Catholicism, he used to be a protestant minister and his teachings on Catholicism reflect his protestant background. I can give you a list of authors and book titles if you want to learn. |
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| 5 years ago :: Feb 08, 2008 - 9:56PM #22 | |
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| 5 years ago :: Feb 09, 2008 - 2:10PM #23 | |
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I am trying to come to terms w/that teaching, being in Protestant land for years makes it hard to accept, though I will always consider my brothers and sisters in Protestant land just that, my brothers and sisters in Christ!
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| 5 years ago :: Mar 14, 2008 - 8:06PM #24 | |
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Well, I'm a Protestant who holds great affection for the Catholic side of the family. Lots of Protestants are bothered by the idea of a Pope, but lots aren't. We aren't all running around calling him the Anti-Christ. That's mostly the rightest of the right-wingers. I was really upset when JP II died, and I wasn't the only Protestant in my circle who walked around like they'd lost a friend.
I think what may bother many Protestants is what the papacy often seems to represent. Not frequently the Christ he should (and we all should) represent, but things that theologically we don't understand. Don't forget, none of the Protestants you come in contact with now were picketing at Nicea, or tearing down monasteries for the love of King Henry VIII. Most of us were born Protestant like most of you were born Catholic. Not all of us are anti-liturgy, sola scriptura, or once-saved-always-saved Christians. I've been reading and watching and listening to the Catholic Church for a few years now. To date, no one has been able to really explain to me how Marian Theology works. It's not addressed simply by saying, "We don't worship her, for crying out loud". There's more to it than that. Or how theologically some of the Popes who were rennigade hedonists fit into the picture. Quite honestly, I want someone to convince me. Not because I'm dead set on having a debate, but because I've nowhere else to go. I want to be proven wrong. I don't want to win at the expense of my soul. But I can't pretend to believe what I don't, so I feel like I'm punished by both sides for being honest. |
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| 5 years ago :: Mar 14, 2008 - 9:08PM #25 | |
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Note to Dawngordon: "The Pope likes to think he God." Is this the best you can do? No Catholics compare the Pope to God. He follows in the line of St. Peter and he is a servant of the people of God. He is also a servant of God. Mary is venerated in the Church. Catholics constantly ask for her prayers. Note from the Hail Mary, "Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners." From the Hail Holy Queen, "Pray for us O holy mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.." In regard to the Popes, many of the Popes were not the nicest of men. Some were unworthy. Some were saints. No Catholic worships the Pope. The Pope is only considered infallible when he speaks ex-cathedra. This has only been invoked once in the last 100 years. By no means is the Pope considered sinless or perfect. If you talk to Catholics you will hear many of them criticize the current or past Popes for faults or failings. But as humans we all have faults and failings.
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| 5 years ago :: Mar 14, 2008 - 9:09PM #26 | |
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Hi Crickhollow. I hope that my last post answered some of your questions. Feel free to ask. Thanks.
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| 5 years ago :: Mar 15, 2008 - 9:23PM #27 | |
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When I talk to non-catholics for me the reason they do not like papal authority is because they don't understand what it means to have the pope chosen by God, nor do the fully understand why the Pope is considered "infallible". I would suggest reading a book like Papacy for dummies or something on those lines, also catholic.com and ewtn.com have a question and answer thing, which you might find information to argue with non-catholics about this subject.
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| 5 years ago :: Mar 14, 2008 - 8:06PM #28 | |
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Well, I'm a Protestant who holds great affection for the Catholic side of the family. Lots of Protestants are bothered by the idea of a Pope, but lots aren't. We aren't all running around calling him the Anti-Christ. That's mostly the rightest of the right-wingers. I was really upset when JP II died, and I wasn't the only Protestant in my circle who walked around like they'd lost a friend.
I think what may bother many Protestants is what the papacy often seems to represent. Not frequently the Christ he should (and we all should) represent, but things that theologically we don't understand. Don't forget, none of the Protestants you come in contact with now were picketing at Nicea, or tearing down monasteries for the love of King Henry VIII. Most of us were born Protestant like most of you were born Catholic. Not all of us are anti-liturgy, sola scriptura, or once-saved-always-saved Christians. I've been reading and watching and listening to the Catholic Church for a few years now. To date, no one has been able to really explain to me how Marian Theology works. It's not addressed simply by saying, "We don't worship her, for crying out loud". There's more to it than that. Or how theologically some of the Popes who were rennigade hedonists fit into the picture. Quite honestly, I want someone to convince me. Not because I'm dead set on having a debate, but because I've nowhere else to go. I want to be proven wrong. I don't want to win at the expense of my soul. But I can't pretend to believe what I don't, so I feel like I'm punished by both sides for being honest. |
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| 5 years ago :: Mar 14, 2008 - 9:08PM #29 | |
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Note to Dawngordon: "The Pope likes to think he God." Is this the best you can do? No Catholics compare the Pope to God. He follows in the line of St. Peter and he is a servant of the people of God. He is also a servant of God. Mary is venerated in the Church. Catholics constantly ask for her prayers. Note from the Hail Mary, "Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners." From the Hail Holy Queen, "Pray for us O holy mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.." In regard to the Popes, many of the Popes were not the nicest of men. Some were unworthy. Some were saints. No Catholic worships the Pope. The Pope is only considered infallible when he speaks ex-cathedra. This has only been invoked once in the last 100 years. By no means is the Pope considered sinless or perfect. If you talk to Catholics you will hear many of them criticize the current or past Popes for faults or failings. But as humans we all have faults and failings.
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| 5 years ago :: Mar 14, 2008 - 9:09PM #30 | |
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Hi Crickhollow. I hope that my last post answered some of your questions. Feel free to ask. Thanks.
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