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6 years ago  ::  Nov 17, 2008 - 2:58PM #1
imsavedru
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If a christian commits suicide, can they go to heaven?

Food for thought -tell me yours!!
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 18, 2008 - 9:38AM #2
imsavedru
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For the sake of discussion (LOL)...what happens if a person has unrepented of sin at the time of death- suicide would fall in that category I would think. Phil 4:8 tells us what we are to "think upon". A person who is suicidal not only doesn't know their identity in Christ (The Holy Spirit dwells within the believer), they have Grieved the Holy Spirit by an act "outside" of God's will (asumming that is not God's will to take control of one's OWN life) and they have not (obviously) applied Phil 4:8. If they had.... thoughts of suicide would not have overtaken them. The Word says that SATAN robs, kills, and destroys. If we were to kill ourself - are we not acting upon Satan's will and NOT God's?

We are also told to DENY ourselves and carry our cross. Suicide in NOT denying ourselves - it is the ultimate act of selfishness and hopelessness- NOT love. Our hope is to be in the Lord not ourselves. It might appear that the SAVED person (when they committed suicide) actually walked away from Jesus Christ.

I want to prompt a discussion here.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 4:29PM #3
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[QUOTE=imsavedru;903536]We are also told to DENY ourselves and carry our cross. Suicide in NOT denying ourselves - it is the ultimate act of selfishness and hopelessness- NOT love. Our hope is to be in the Lord not ourselves. It might appear that the SAVED person (when they committed suicide) actually walked away from Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE]I disagree.

Suicide is the ultimate act of dispair.  The person who resorts to suicide is mentally ill with depression that blinds them to seeing any other alternative. Mental illness, like many other illnesses, is not the fault of the one who is sick.  If anyone expresses signs of being suicidal, take them seriously and get them help. Now. Telling them that they will go to Hell for it is not helpful. Getting them to a mental health professional is. Every well equipped ER in the country has a mental health professional in house or on call 24/7.

The one who commits suicide deserves our pity, not our condemnation. Their families need our prayers and our support.

The ultimate fate of the suicide victim is in God's hands, not ours. It is not our place to judge. My own guess, FWIW, is that God is a God of Mercy.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 05, 2008 - 5:27PM #4
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[QUOTE=Campbellite;917730]I disagree.

Suicide is the ultimate act of dispair. 

Mental illness, like many other illnesses, is not the fault of the one who is sick.


The one who commits suicide deserves our pity, not our condemnation. Their families need our prayers and our support. 

The ultimate fate of the suicide victim is in God's hands, not ours. It is not our place to judge.

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Suicide is the ultimate act of dispair. AGREED!

Mental illness, like many other illnesses, is not the fault of the one who is sick.
WHOSE FAULT (IF ANY) IS IT THEN?

The one who commits suicide deserves our pity, not our condemnation. Their families need our prayers and our support. 
ABSOLUTELY!

The ultimate fate of the suicide victim is in God's hands, not ours. It is not our place to judge.
WASN'T JUDGING - I SAID, "It might appear" that they walked away from Jesus Christ.
MY COMMENTS WERE MEANT TO STIMULATE DISCUSSION.

Peace.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2008 - 12:34PM #5
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[QUOTE=imsavedru;938239]Suicide is the ultimate act of dispair. AGREED!

Mental illness, like many other illnesses, is not the fault of the one who is sick.
WHOSE FAULT (IF ANY) IS IT THEN?

The one who commits suicide deserves our pity, not our condemnation. Their families need our prayers and our support. 
ABSOLUTELY!

The ultimate fate of the suicide victim is in God's hands, not ours. It is not our place to judge.
WASN'T JUDGING - I SAID, "It might appear" that they walked away from Jesus Christ.
MY COMMENTS WERE MEANT TO STIMULATE DISCUSSION.

Peace.[/QUOTE]

For the sake of discussion.....What if the person who commits suicide is NOT mentally ill? What if they started doing drugs or drinking and it led to them overdosing and dying? Are we to assume that anyone who drinks or does drugs is mentally ill? Some would say they become mentally ill from their behavior so therefore they are ill when they overdose.  That is giving everyone an excuse of mental illness if they start a bad lifestyle. Any thoughts on this?......I'm NOT judging anyone.......just asking for input:)
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2008 - 9:55AM #6
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BRAVO Margal !!!  And this is my point of the discussion. Is a person who commits suicide accountable for their life? Some would say NOT. How can that be?

This means we will have to define what Mental Illness is.  Should we use the medical society's definition or a biblical definition? Since man is fallible and for the most part -the medical community are unbelievers,  I believe the only true definition would be a biblical one.  Now where do we find that!  We can look up MIND, ATTITUDE, TRUST, FAITH, all of these affect our emotional and physical stability.

If as Christians we are never truly WHOLE without Him, are we ever in our right minds or hearts when we reject or ignore him? He said He would never leave or forsake us, but we can walk away from Him. Are our minds sound at that point, or decieved.  If decieved, would that be considered a mental illness? Ha.  Around and around we go.

Some on this board are christians, others are not. We will get a mix of ideas and thoughts on this topic.

In a nutshell, this is what I believe. God created us. We are to live for Him.  We can choose to do that or not do that - for we are not puppets. If we reject him and our lives are difficult leading us to suicide are we accountable for that? YES.  If we are a Christian and we are not living FOR and THROUGH the Lord then our hearts and minds are apart from Him. If apart from Him, we are still accountable if we commit suicide because his Spirit is to live within us causing us to LIVE for Him not ourselves.

Whew!  Anyone else?????
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2008 - 9:55AM #7
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BRAVO Margal !!!  And this is my point of the discussion. Is a person who commits suicide accountable for their life? Some would say NOT. How can that be?

This means we will have to define what Mental Illness is.  Should we use the medical society's definition or a biblical definition? Since man is fallible and for the most part -the medical community are unbelievers,  I believe the only true definition would be a biblical one.  Now where do we find that!  We can look up MIND, ATTITUDE, TRUST, FAITH, all of these affect our emotional and physical stability.

If as Christians we are never truly WHOLE without Him, are we ever in our right minds or hearts when we reject or ignore him? He said He would never leave or forsake us, but we can walk away from Him. Are our minds sound at that point, or decieved.  If decieved, would that be considered a mental illness? Ha.  Around and around we go.

Some on this board are christians, others are not. We will get a mix of ideas and thoughts on this topic.

In a nutshell, this is what I believe. God created us. We are to live for Him.  We can choose to do that or not do that - for we are not puppets. If we reject him and our lives are difficult leading us to suicide are we accountable for that? YES.  If we are a Christian and we are not living FOR and THROUGH the Lord then our hearts and minds are apart from Him. If apart from Him, we are still accountable if we commit suicide because his Spirit is to live within us causing us to LIVE for Him not ourselves.

Whew!  Anyone else?????
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2008 - 3:51PM #8
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its been a while since i've been on here but....

We all know that God made us to make our own decisions without his interferance. With that being said,everything we do is a choice and that doesnt make it right. I believe that a christian is not supposed to kill and killing yourself would be an act of self hate, which hatred to me is a Devilish act,the bible says u're a liar if you say you love God in which you cant see but have hate for anybodyelse in your heart. I dont feel that you can die in a state of sin (without repentance as stated before) and make it to heaven.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 17, 2008 - 9:18PM #9
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[QUOTE=imsavedru;942863][F]or the most part -the medical community are unbelievers[/QUOTE]
You must not know very many people in the medical profession, then.  I work as a hospital chaplain (part time). I know dozens of doctors, many of them specialists. I know far more nurses and technicians. For every one who was agnostic (I know of NO atheists), I could point out a hundred who are active Christians.

One would do well to avoid making assumptions.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 17, 2008 - 9:18PM #10
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[QUOTE=imsavedru;942863][F]or the most part -the medical community are unbelievers[/QUOTE]
You must not know very many people in the medical profession, then.  I work as a hospital chaplain (part time). I know dozens of doctors, many of them specialists. I know far more nurses and technicians. For every one who was agnostic (I know of NO atheists), I could point out a hundred who are active Christians.

One would do well to avoid making assumptions.
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