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9 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2008 - 7:46PM #31
Artforgood
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One often hears this from the East--X-thousand denominations and all the goofball preachers out there teaching heresies.

Those of us who identify with the original biblical and apostolic faith have only one Lord, only one faith, only one baptism.

The differences biblical Christians have among ourselves (and these are secondary) are about things that are in the Bible. The differences we have with authoritarian/hierarchal institutions are about things that are not in the Bible.

We pose this question: which is worse--occasional wayward preachers who mislead hundreds or thousands--or a monopolistic religious system, which by accreting layers of non-biblical doctrine and practices onto the faith once delivered to the saints so as to make their theory of salvation unrecognizable when contrasted with that of Scripture, has subverted entire nations?

We carry on the ancient and true faith as learned from Jesus and the original apostles and reiterated in the writings of the elders of the second and third centuries, and brook no intimidation from an institution which does not recognize the finality of Scripture, the totality of grace, and the liberty of ministry. These are our God-given charter. And the testimony of thousands who have left the world of Byzantine easternism for the life-giving Gospel of grace repeatedly and resoundingly affirms this.
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9 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2008 - 7:46PM #32
Kerygma
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It's evident that you haven't a clue what you're talking about. First.. ask questions to educate yourself. Secondly, try to set aside your obvious prejudices and erroneous ways of thinking. Lastly, we don't really appreciate your drive-by shooting of so-called Gospel sound-bytes. It doesn't give credence to anything you've said and in fact, does great harm to the authentic Gospel of our Lord and Savior. Nuff said?
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9 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2008 - 8:02PM #33
Kerygma
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Furthermore, I'm tired of your mocking our faith (Mama church indeed) and attempting to proselytize us, both of which are against the rules of conduct. This behavior will be reported. Again, if you wish to engage us in healthy, respectful dialogue and learn something about our faith, we welcome such.
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9 years ago  ::  Dec 15, 2008 - 2:00AM #34
Incognitus
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Everyone is a convert. Everyone must make a personal decision for Christ within the context of Orthodoxy. Being baptized as a baby does not automatically make one a Christian. It's a personal decision. The heart, mind and will have to be converted.

I chose Orthodoxy because Rome is completely apostate.
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9 years ago  ::  Dec 15, 2008 - 10:26PM #35
Artforgood
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The cause of one of the posters would be better served if he would address the issues raised in posts he may not agree with. Sharing a recognition of the Gospel that one has and expressing disagreement with individual aspects of another approach constitutes neither "drive-by shootings" nor cheap proselytizing. If a person from any viewpoint disagrees with an idea that has been expressed from any other viewpoint, he is free to specify what he doesn't agree with and why. That's what a forum is for, and it applies to all sides. Less than complementary terms for the stream of Christians with which this poster has fellowship are occasionally used here ("X thousand denominations", etc.), but the response from here is not to dismiss the user with "you don't know what you're talking about." as that poster does know something or he wouldn't be advocating his tradition here. The motive behind anything from my point of view that looks provocotive or bothersome is to offer a different way of thinking about something, in this case what salvation is. And if you see the suggestion to use our God-given brain, it is anything but an implication that people who may disagree don't use their brain: it is simply an invitation to take a fresh look at Scripture and Scripture alone. With of course also the clarifying presence of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26, 16:7) and the counsel of biblically committed elders (Acts 4:32ff). And always in a spirit of love.
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9 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2008 - 12:59AM #36
Kerygma
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Try and grasp this simple fact: THIS is not a place for debate NOR for your coming and attempting to proselytize. There is a Debate forum better suited to your type of questioning. If you wish to learn about Orthodoxy and to learn about conversion to such, then by all means... ask respectfully and not in a juvenile fashion (i.e. "Mama Church"). Comprenez-vous?
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9 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2008 - 2:21PM #37
Kerygma
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[QUOTE=Artforgood;959345]... it is simply an invitation to take a fresh look at Scripture and Scripture alone. With of course also the clarifying presence of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26, 16:7) and the counsel of biblically committed elders (Acts 4:32ff). And always in a spirit of love.[/QUOTE]

And lest you be inclined to misunderstand our position, let me simply address one aspect of your post... that which is quoted above. To begin with, we do not need to take a so-called fresh look at Scripture and Scripture alone for two reasons: first off, the Church alone has the authority to interpret Scripture; it is not subject to private interpretations (yet another reason for the x thousands of Protestant denominations). In short, we are not sola-scriptura folk. Secondly, claiming guidance and counsel from the All-Holy Spirit does not mean that such is forth-coming. Again, one has only to look at the x thousands of Protestant denominations each claiming to "rightly divide the Word of Truth" under the "guidance of the Holy Spirit" and yet coming up with diametrically opposite interpretations of Scriptura is proof-positive that something is amiss since the Holy Spirit is not divided nor in the habit of giving misleading counsel to varying groups. In short, we will follow what the Church has taught us for two millennia rather than some "fresh look at Scriptura" your complaints and protestations notwithstanding.
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