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6 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2008 - 10:08PM #1
stephenski
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I am a former Baptist who converted to Lutheranism when I married [my wife's family are all Lutheran].  Anyway, I like the Lutheran church but have had a bit of a struggle b/c they worship like Catholics [lots of ritual, making the sign of the cross, bowing, kneeling, chanting, etc.  Sometimes I miss the Protestant way of worship like a good old Baptist revival service.

Do Presbyterians also follow the more Catholic worship like Lutherans & Episcopalians or more like the Baptist free style worship?

Thank you
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2008 - 11:26PM #2
sterrettc
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[QUOTE=stephenski;654378]I am a former Baptist who converted to Lutheranism when I married [my wife's family are all Lutheran].  Anyway, I like the Lutheran church but have had a bit of a struggle b/c they worship like Catholics [lots of ritual, making the sign of the cross, bowing, kneeling, chanting, etc.  Sometimes I miss the Protestant way of worship like a good old Baptist revival service.

Do Presbyterians also follow the more Catholic worship like Lutherans & Episcopalians or more like the Baptist free style worship?

Thank you[/QUOTE]

Presbyterians do not make the sign of the cross, etc.  In some congregations, officers being ordained will kneel while hands are being laid upon them and prayers said, but we do not kneel regularly in worship.  I guess I am not familiar with the bowing.  I, myself, enjoy a good Gregorian chant, but hymn singing is more normal in the Presbyterian church.

That said, worship style varies some from congregation to congregation, and some of them are much more liturgical than others.  Most presbyterian churchs have some responsive elements in their worship, such as the sursum corda (lift up your hearts) in Lord's supper.

I would guess that there is some variation in Lutheran congregations as well, and some variation between ELCA, Missouri Synod, and Wisconsin Synod.

Sterrett
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6 years ago  ::  Aug 08, 2008 - 12:41PM #3
Merrill48
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I have been a Presbyterian for about 12 years now, after having spent the first 45 or so years of my life in the Episcopal church. So I guess this qualifies me to answer the question!!

In general, presbyterian churches of all "flavors" are less liturgical than Lutherans or Angclicans/Episcopalians. Less up-and-down, no kneeling for prayer, no bowing to the cross as a sign of reverence, etc. Both Lutheran and A/E can be thought of as a mixture (in various proportions, depending on the congregation, etc.) of Protestant theology and Roman ritual. The Anglicans/Episcopalians think of themselves as the "via media" - a middle way between pure Protestant (e.g. Southern Baptist) and Roman.

Given my background, I find ritual and a liturgical worship style comforting. But I can see how someone raised in a more purely Protestant tradition might find Lutheran and Anglican/Episcopal worship too formal or "Catholic-like."

Hope this at least begins to answer your questions....

Shalom,
Merrill
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6 years ago  ::  Aug 23, 2008 - 11:55PM #4
spudette
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I have a question: What do Presbyterians believe happens when a person dies?
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6 years ago  ::  Aug 25, 2008 - 12:20PM #5
CalKnox
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[QUOTE=spudette;713093]I have a question: What do Presbyterians believe happens when a person dies?[/QUOTE]

Confessional Presbyterians believe:

WCF: CHAPTER 32
Of the State of Men after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead


1. The bodies of men, after death, return to dust, and see corruption: but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them: the souls of the righteous, being then made perfect in holiness, are received into the highest heavens, where they behold the face of God, in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies. And the souls of the wicked are cast into hell, where they remain in torments and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day. Besides these two places, for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledgeth none.

2. At the last day, such as are found alive shall not die, but be changed: and all the dead shall be raised up, with the selfsame bodies, and none other (although with different qualities), which shall be united again to their souls forever.

3. The bodies of the unjust shall, by the power of Christ, be raised to dishonor: the bodies of the just, by his Spirit, unto honor; and be made conformable to his own glorious body.

CHAPTER 33
Of the Last Judgment


1. God hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world, in righteousness, by Jesus Christ, to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father. In which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds; and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.

2. The end of God's appointing this day is for the manifestation of the glory of his mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of his justice, in the damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient. For then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and refreshing, which shall come from the presence of the Lord; but the wicked who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

3. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin; and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity: so will he have that day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come; and may be ever prepared to say, Come Lord Jesus, come quickly, Amen.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 12, 2008 - 9:26PM #6
JimRigas
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but the wicked who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

An eternity of punishment and torment for a brief lifetime of sin. Too bad heaven does not have a Supreme Court to call this law unjust, where the punishment does not fit the crime.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 13, 2008 - 10:03PM #7
CalKnox
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[QUOTE=JimRigas;760176]but the wicked who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

An eternity of punishment and torment for a brief lifetime of sin. Too bad heaven does not have a Supreme Court to call this law unjust, where the punishment does not fit the crime.[/QUOTE]

As a “humanist,” you understand and measure sin by your human standard.  God will measure and judge by his own sovereign standard.  Even the smallest sin is an assault on the infinity majesty of the holy and infinite God; thus, deserving an eternal punishment.

The good news is the perfect obedience of Christ and his sacrifice on the cross takes the guilt of those who trust in him and imputes his righteousness to them, purchasing for them eternal life.

Rather than shake your fist at God’s justice, ask him to incline your heart and enable you to embrace his mercy in Jesus.

One day, every soul will know this is true.
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