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5 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2007 - 1:25PM #11
phlipside
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dutch777 wrote:

Ditto
Doesn't this have to have 815's go-ahead?



Actually I don't see any reason why it should require it.  The process carefully notes that individuals not congregations can leave.  It also leaves the property where it belongs and follows standard procedure for the sale by the diocese.  This is very well thought out, reasonable and very impressive.  Bp. Howe (again) rises in my estimation.  I'm very impressed.

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5 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2007 - 1:34PM #12
journeying
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I seem to remember something ++Katharine said about selling property months ago which indicated she is not in favor of it at all.  Doubt I can find it tho.

Shel
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2007 - 1:37PM #13
phlipside
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Well the way this is set up the property would ONLY be for sale is there was  no viable ongoing congregation.  Which would make sense.  If there IS a viable ongoing congregation then why should they sell?  I think that's been the problem in places like Falls Church.  There is a viable (and growing!) congregation but the secessionists are trying to claim the building from them.

I think 815 would be fools to argue with this process.  And I've never thought they were fools.
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2007 - 1:47PM #14
Merope
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[QUOTE=journeying;153060]The Diocese of Central Florida has posted this protocol for parishes leaving TEC.  Bishop Howe has issued this letter.  ENS has this article.

Shel[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Interesting!  I think such protocols are a good idea.  I haven't read these in detail, but the ENS article enumerates one protocol as requiring a meeting with an entire congregation and the diocesan bishop after a vestry has voted - based on its sense of the wishes of the congregation as a whole - to disaffiliate with TEC.  I think this meeting protocol (as well as the requirement that the vestry base its vote on a sense of the wishes of the entire congregation) is important because, typically, by the time a vestry votes to disaffiliate, it appears that opposition has been slowly worn down over a period of years in a kind of extended war of attrition.  So the question in my mind has always been the degree to which a vestry vote to disaffiliate accurately and fairly represents the wishes of an entire congregation. 

Dutch's point about the protocols being cool with 815 is well taken.  According to the [COLOR="SeaGreen"]Washington Times[/COLOR], the PB overrode Peter Lee's plan in 2004 to accept buyouts from the 11 Virginia parishes leaving TEC for CANA.  She testified in her deposition that she couldn't support negotiations for sale of the congregations if the congregations intended to set up as other parts of the Anglican Communion.  In light of this, I'm assuming that Central Florida would not have adopted the protocols - let alone published them - without consulting with and receiving concurrence from the PB.[/COLOR]
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2007 - 1:51PM #15
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[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Cross-posted with Shel and Jay :-)  Yeah, it all makes sense now.[/color]
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2007 - 8:39PM #16
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journeying wrote:

I seem to remember something ++Katharine said about selling property months ago which indicated she is not in favor of it at all. Doubt I can find it tho.

Shel



++Katharine made statements to this effect when giving her deposition in the Virginia cases. Her reasoning was that the Virginia parishes have folks who wish to remain within TEC and didn't want to sell property to CANA.

Joan

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