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7 years ago  ::  Nov 27, 2007 - 7:52PM #1
rmatth
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From The Miami Herald 11/27/07

Controversial bishop taking message to NSU law school Emphasis and/or comments mine.

BY ANI MARTINEZ

Four years after the appointment of the first openly gay Episcopal bishop, tensions continue to mount within the Episcopal Church. While some Episcopal dioceses are discussing breaking away from the church, the controversial bishop is traveling around the world to spread a peaceful and inclusive message.

His next stop -- South Florida, where a number of Episcopal leaders have shown their support of Bishop Gene Robinson.

Robinson, of New Hampshire, will speak at Nova Southeastern University Tuesday. Robinson's visit at NSU will conclude the law school's 2007 Goodwin Symposium on sexuality, morality and the law. He will focus on how morality affects gay and lesbian legal rights.

''He's not only a bishop who struggled in the church, he's a person with an internal struggle,'' said Anthony Niedwiecki, professor of current constitutional issues at NSU, who organized the event. ``One of the things he will talk about is how a church can actually reconcile with gay, lesbian and bisexual issues.''

The decision to consecrate Robinson as the ninth bishop of New Hampshire created havoc within the Episcopal dioceses of Fort Worth, Texas; Pittsburgh; and San Joaquin, Calif.

soon to be former hopefullyBishop Jack Leo Iker, of Fort Worth, has spearheaded the crusade against Robinson. At the annual Diocesan Convention earlier this month, several amendments were passed to break away from the church and join another Episcopalian province.

The diocese is scheduled to hear the final reading of constitutional changes Dec. 2.

''We disapprove of him being divorced, of him living with someone he is not married to and of him having a relationship with another man,'' said Suzanne Gill, a spokeswoman for the Episcopal diocese in Fort Worth. ``We expect the constitution to change so we can address the problem.''

''We know that not everybody agreed with the step to break away,'' Gill added. ``We have some folks that feel that they want to stay in the Episcopal church. We respect that.'' wow, tell that to Marvin Long & others

Most dioceses want to find the gray area in this issue by continuing the conversation. See, I told you there is a God!

''They are asking the dioceses not to consecrate more gay bishops and not to accept gay unions. They are also asking the church to suppress gays,'' said Bishop Leo Frade, of the Episcopal Diocese of Southeast Florida. ``They are threatening to break away, but the majority of the Episcopalian population doesn't believe this could be decided right now.''

''Some of the Bishops saying they will leave are my friends so I don't want them to leave,'' Frade added. ``We want to continue talking about it.''

The literal translation of rejecting the gay community in scripture is threatening the church's unity, Frade said. The world Anglican Communion, represented in the United States by the Episcopal Church, is asking Episcopalian leaders to abandon its support of gays.

But the leaders are standing by their original decision.

''There was a time in the church when the church believed in slaves and believed that women were not created equal,'' Frade said. ``The struggle of the church has always been about people who are literalists. We must be able to reason.'' Well said Frade!

Robinson declined to be interviewed. Well, that is something new for him! LOL!

The South Florida Episcopalian community has supported the gay bishop.

''We aren't going anywhere,'' said Rev. Wilifred Allen-Faiella, the rector at St. Stephen's Episcopal Church in Coconut Grove. ``We are part of the Episcopal church and we support Bishop Robinson.'' Brava Rev. Allen-Faiella!!!

Allen-Faiella said they are accepting of Robinson because ``there is room for everyone at the table.'' What an awesome concept! Wonder who thought that up? I don't know...could it be Jesus?

''I'm personally very sorry that churches would choose to leave,'' she said. ``No parishes or churches in the Episcopal Diocese of Southeast Florida, which includes Monroe, Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties, want to break away from the church. Not one.''
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 28, 2007 - 7:57AM #2
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Interesting. Thanks. Richard
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 04, 2007 - 1:34PM #3
rbchaddy2000
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Also, very sad I might add. Richard
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7 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2008 - 11:39AM #4
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rediff.com/news/2008/feb/25apology.htm How's this for peaceful and inclusive?  The article starts off interesting and becomes titillatingly fascinating.  Rev.Karen MacQueen is into Vedanta Philosophy --- how 'bout them apples?  Actually, I am too, somewhat.   Evidentally, some few individuals are discomfited by this event; such is life.  Enjoy.  Comments?
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7 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2008 - 6:13PM #5
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dutch,

You should research the Dalits' plight under Hinduism.  This is the caste (actually the outcastes) that is converting to Christianity where they learn that they are fully human.  Jesus would be preaching to them, and incurring the wrath of the Hindus.
People with a mission to save the earth want the earth to seem worse than it is so their mission will look more important.


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7 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2008 - 6:22PM #6
SeraphimR
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Here is a place to start:

"During 2006, the opposition Hindu Nationalist Party (BJP) has either introduced or strengthened existing anti-conversion legislation in each of the states in which it holds power. The conversions of Dalits and other vulnerable groups are particularly restricted, with four of the six anti-conversion laws stipulating harsher punishments where the convert is a Dalit, tribal, female or a minor.

Hindu extremist groups have also targeted Dalit converts to minority religions, particularly Christianity, in violent attacks which are often committed with impunity."

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/1 … a/7943.htm


Rev. MacQueen is inadvertently playing into the hands of a class of oppressors.
People with a mission to save the earth want the earth to seem worse than it is so their mission will look more important.


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7 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2008 - 8:56PM #7
Dutch777
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Seraphim:
Yes indeed, I'm quite well aware of the condition of the Dalits / Panchyama.   During the time of the medieval Muslim invasion of the Indian sub-continent many converted to Islam to escape their inherited caste.    In the early 1950s many mass converted to Buddhism; later many converted to Christianity; all for the same reason.

Hinduism has been long on caste duties but short on ethics.  Because of this, in the 19th. century, Ram Mohan Roy began the Brahmo Samaj, a reform movement within Hinduism.  He drew upon Christianity for the ethical component of the movement, particularly Anglicanism and British Unitarianism.  Later, Mohandas Gandhi drew upon Christianity and American Transcendentalist authors for certain of his ideas of ethics, e.g. Henry David Thoreau and his essay on Civil Disobedience.

Although the constitution of India guarantees freedom of religion, several of the individual Indian states have or are in process of limiting the right to conversion out of Hinduism.  Hinduism and Indian nationalism seem to be closely equated.  In addition, there is continuing, smouldering resentment against the Muslim community for the partition of the Indian Sub-continent into Pakistan and Bangladesh.    Furthermore, every day I read accounts of Christians in South Asia and Indonesia being assaulted, murdered, churches destroyed, conversions prohibited under penalty of law --- even death.   The equation of religion and nationalism, of church/mosque/temple with state, is exceptionally susceptible to bloodshed and misery.  I fully agree with you.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2009 - 6:12PM #8
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I am not aware of dalit mass conversions to Islam; in fact, conversions to Islam in India were mostly by Buddhists, who refused to use force to defend their religion (and then had to convert to save their lives), as opposed to Hindus. I'd recommend Prof. K.S. Lal's writings on that topic.

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 18, 2009 - 7:44PM #9
Dutch777
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Buddhism in India was monastic.  When the Islamic invaders entered India in the medieval period they ransacked the monestaries and scattered the monks.  Some converted to Islam to save themselves.  Buddhism was nearly eradicated in India.


During the 1950's there were Hindu mass conversions to Buddhism as a escape from the caste system.  Hindus tend to be very touchy about attempts to convert their members to other religions.

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