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Switch to Forum Live View How does it help to know Jesus forgave you BEFORE He died on the cross?
5 years ago  ::  Nov 28, 2012 - 6:36PM #1
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Jesus prayed, "Father forgive them, they know not what they do".  I find that humbling because it means that Jesus understood that I really didn't know what I was doing when I wasn't His and scoffing at His way of life and love.  He loved me anyway in spite of what I now see as a truly lousy attitude.  It was my attitude that was responsible for His dying on that cross, and it was my sins that made it necessary for Him to do so.  It is a debt of genuine spiritual love that I can never repay.

How about you?  What are your thoughts and experiences?
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 15, 2012 - 12:29PM #2
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My thoughts and experiences concerning this topic are many.  The bottom line is when Satan comes to try to accuse me of things that have been taken to the cross and washed in the blood, I do not accept his accusations, because I know Jesus, at my request has completely washed them away.  Therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.  This I believe.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 5:45PM #3
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"Father forgive them, they know not what they do". 

Luke 23: 33-37 (NASB)...The Crucifixion of Jesus the God-Man
When they came to the place called "The Skull",
there THEY crucified Him and the criminals,
one on the right and the other on the left.
But Jesus was saying,
“Father, forgive them; for THEY do not know what they are doing.”
And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.
And the people stood by, looking on.
And even the rulers were sneering at Him, ...
 The soldiers also mocked Him, coming up to Him, offering Him sour wine.

Jesus forgave sins during His ministry....SO....

Who was the "THEY" of verse 34?

1. Roman soldiers?
2. Jewish "rulers"?
3. "a large crowd of the people" (v. 27)...the curious unbelievers?
4. "women who were mourning and lamenting Him" ...and other believers?
5. ALL those surrounding the cross and hearing?
5. ALL sinners....past / present / future?

What were "THEY" "doing"?

1. killing the body of a man from Nazareth?
2. carrying out the final step of Jesus mission?
3. a start of the steps of resurrection, appearances, ascension
4. killing the body, but not the soul /spirit of the God-Man?

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 8:00AM #4
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Ron, excellent question indeed.  Who were the "they"?  Were they those in the crowd who emotionally went along but didn't really know who Jesus was and is?  We know "they" didn't include the Pharisees because scripture says "we know You are sent from God".  Did the "they" include the Roman soldiers, who were just following orders and tradition of their culture in carrying out the crucifixion?

These are excellent spiritual meditation exercises as well as things to prayerfully bring before God's throne for help in understanding to whom those words referred.

Dunamis3, thanks for sharing.  There is indeed no condemnation for those of us who are in Christ Jesus.  Amen to that!


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5 years ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 3:57AM #5
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Dunamus, GREAT reply!!!

God Bless you all.


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