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12 months ago  ::  Jun 24, 2012 - 11:31PM #1
jesusfreakgal
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Without hearing specifics (meaning they haven’t said what they were), what do you think when you hear someone has received revelation(s) from God? For me I am leery. 1) unless the revelation(s) they have received line up with the bible (100%), how can one know for sure that a revelation is truly of God? I understand that people will say we just have to trust and have faith, but the satan can use that against us. I can tell us something that sounds as if it is of God (when it really isn’t) just to bait us into believing that all we ‘hear’ is of God so that then it starts to sound just that little bit iffy, we believe it anyway.  2) For those who believe they are the only one receiving revelation(s) from God, what makes them think they are special (to be the soul person receiving revelations), and what is their opinion of others who believe they are receiving revelations of God as well (particularly persons who believe they are the soul person receiving them as well)? In my opinion, we can’t be too careful with this kind of thing. Although we need to have faith with regards to the Lord, we also need to not blindly believe everything that sounds like it could be of the Lord. We need to go to scripture, and if after searching scripture, any doubt is cast on what we ‘heard’ then it may not be of God after all, and it should not be something we listen to and/ or follow. We, IMO can’t allow possible revelations of God over rule the bible and become our new authority (over and above it). In the end, unless what they have heard is not shocking, or off the wall, or remotely differing from scripture, I'd be leery of what was 'heard' for concern that it could be satan pulling the wool over the person's eyes (so to speak).      
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 7:48AM #2
withwonderingawe
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I agree with a lot of what you’re saying there BUT we don’t all agree with what the Bible is saying so it leaves us questioning each other’s revelations. 

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 9:36AM #3
jesusfreakgal
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True. But I am not talking here a normal situation. I am talking here a situation where someone believe they (and either few other people or only they) are receiving special revelations, whether about scripture (how either parts of or the entire bible has been misinterpreted) , or about say how  all/ most Christians have gotten Christianity all wrong or what not (specifically if how this person says we have it wrong does not line up with scripture) or those sort of things. Not the situation one person interprets certain passages one way, and another person another way, technically without either too different (the interpretations), and ending up pretty much being in line with one denomination or another. When someone says they have received revelation(s) from God that don't fall in line with any known denomination, either that once existed or now exist, particularly if those supposed revelations have to do with salvation (how one is saved), the bible (the bible as a whole) or specific passage(s)/ book(s) of the bible, or even specific persons of the bible, particularly if these revelations would alter Christianity dramatically, then that is serious stuff and shouldn't be taken lightly. Even if that person feels tha because they believe the revelations are of God and that we need to just trust him and have faith, they should question the revelation(s), because if they are not, and acting on them could drastically change (in a possibly negative way of the revelations are not of God) how they life, then that could be a bad thing!


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12 months ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 2:15PM #4
smcisaac
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Two thoughts:


(1) I would be pretty skeptical of such a claim.  I would be inclined to believe that the person was having trouble distinguishing his/her own intuition from a genuine theophany.


(2) Even direct inspiration by the Holy Spirit can be pretty individual and subjective, not universal and absolute. What makes perfect sense to one may not, and need not, to another. For example, ask any minister or priest whether he/she felt a genuine vocation to office, and if so, whether he/she supposed it was a call to him/her personally or was meant to apply to everyone equally. They will nearly unanimously answer that it was only a personal call.  Similarly, in the Pentecost assembly at Acts 2, the Holy Spirit spoke in multiple voices to each person individually, not a single unified one to all at once.  One person's personal insight, even if it is also authentic "revelation", need not necessarily mean anything to, or apply to, anyone else.

"Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way."  Gospel of Philip, Logion 72

"Christ will regenerate all things; through Him all things will be purged, and return into eternal life. And when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, all things will be God; that is, all things will still exist, but God will exist in them, and they will be full of Him." Fabius Manus Victorinus, c. 350 AD
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2012 - 1:55PM #5
jesusfreakgal
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That (individual revelation) is something I never actually thought of. I think you are right. Aside from certain revelations (such as the one a pastor/ priest may have felt when they felt called to ministry the way they were,), it could be (if someone believed they had/ heard one) difficult to distinguish whether or not that revelation was individualistic (meant only for them) or universal (meant for all people). You may have someone who, after a year of bible school who feels called (in a sense a revelation) to continue going to bible school for another 2 years, who might feel that that calling is for all believers to go to bible school for 3 years once they are finished high school, when in fact, God is simply calling them, and them alone at that time (individual call) to go to bible school that long. I personally believe one must test all 'revelations' not only to make sure it is genuinly of God, but also (now I think this anyway) to find out what kind of revelation/ call it is (individualistic, universal or general). And while on the one hand we can't ignore God's calling and revelations on on lives, we must also be: "be  B)"> shrewd as serpents and  C)"> innocent as doves" (Matthew 10:16b).


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12 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2012 - 2:35PM #6
Iwantamotto
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jesusfreakgal:  For me I am leery. 1) unless the revelation(s) they have received line up with the bible (100%), how can one know for sure that a revelation is truly of God?


I have no problems with it.  While I may be leery, I don't automatically give the biblical authors a pass either.


There are far too many "convenient" revelations for me to consider the bible without question.


2) For those who believe they are the only one receiving revelation(s) from God, what makes them think they are special (to be the soul person receiving revelations), and what is their opinion of others who believe they are receiving revelations of God as well (particularly persons who believe they are the soul person receiving them as well)?


I remember Moses and Jesus being asked similar things.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 2:57PM #7
dblad
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Heb.1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets  at many times and in various ways,   2 but in these last days   he has spoken to us by his Son,  whom he appointed heir F)">  of all things, and through whom   also he made the universe.   3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory   and the exact representation of his being,   sustaining all things   by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins,  he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.   4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 3:30PM #8
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 2:57PM, dblad wrote:


Heb.1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets  at many times and in various ways,   2 but in these last days   he has spoken to us by his Son,  whom he appointed heir F)">  of all things, and through whom   also he made the universe.   3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory   and the exact representation of his being,   sustaining all things   by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins,  he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.   4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.




Thos "last days" were almost 2,000 years ago now.  Has God been silent ever since?

"Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way."  Gospel of Philip, Logion 72

"Christ will regenerate all things; through Him all things will be purged, and return into eternal life. And when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, all things will be God; that is, all things will still exist, but God will exist in them, and they will be full of Him." Fabius Manus Victorinus, c. 350 AD
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 4:55PM #9
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Jun 24, 2012 -- 11:31PM, jesusfreakgal wrote:

Without hearing specifics (meaning they haven’t said what they were), what do you think when you hear someone has received revelation(s) from God? For me I am leery. 1) unless the revelation(s) they have received line up with the bible (100%), how can one know for sure that a revelation is truly of God? I understand that people will say we just have to trust and have faith, but the satan can use that against us. I can tell us something that sounds as if it is of God (when it really isn’t) just to bait us into believing that all we ‘hear’ is of God so that then it starts to sound just that little bit iffy, we believe it anyway.  2) For those who believe they are the only one receiving revelation(s) from God, what makes them think they are special (to be the soul person receiving revelations), and what is their opinion of others who believe they are receiving revelations of God as well (particularly persons who believe they are the soul person receiving them as well)? In my opinion, we can’t be too careful with this kind of thing. Although we need to have faith with regards to the Lord, we also need to not blindly believe everything that sounds like it could be of the Lord. We need to go to scripture, and if after searching scripture, any doubt is cast on what we ‘heard’ then it may not be of God after all, and it should not be something we listen to and/ or follow. We, IMO can’t allow possible revelations of God over rule the bible and become our new authority (over and above it). In the end, unless what they have heard is not shocking, or off the wall, or remotely differing from scripture, I'd be leery of what was 'heard' for concern that it could be satan pulling the wool over the person's eyes (so to speak).      
 Thoughts?


JFG


In 2 Peter 3:14-15 the Apostle is remembering his presence at the Mount of Transfiguration many years earlier when he heard the voice of God out of the sky.  He then refers to the written Scripture and says, "We have a MORE SURE word of prophecy."  He further identifies it as being produced by, "Holy men of God speake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."  The verb here is passive meaning the writers of the Scripture were carried along by the Spirit as a cork is carried by stream.  Hence, the Scripture are a more sure word of God than any voice out of the Sky. 


In Gal. 1:8-9 Paul says if an angel comes down form heaven and preaches any other gospel, let him be accursed.  He repeats that curse.  The character of the messenger doesn't testify to the accuracy of the message, only its consistency with what we know is divine revelation.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 6:01PM #10
dblad
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 3:30PM, smcisaac wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 2:57PM, dblad wrote:


Heb.1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets  at many times and in various ways,  2 but in these last days   he has spoken to us by his Son,  whom he appointed heir F)">  of all things, and through whom   also he made the universe.  3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory   and the exact representation of his being,   sustaining all things   by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins,  he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.  4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.




Thos "last days" were almost 2,000 years ago now.  Has God been silent ever since?




Two thousand years is like a couple of days to God. We are in the "last days" and have been since the first coming. God speaks to us in these last days by his Son, so no!, God has not been silent. Not even for 2 days or 2 thousand years by our reckoning.

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