| 13 months ago :: Jun 02, 2012 - 3:24PM #1 | |
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This questions arises in an odd (IMO) context: That of a Pentecostal pastor who recently died - like his father before him - of rattlesnake bite while handling the snake. USA Today has the story of "a belief in miracles that defies rational understanding" and poses the question. Wolford, 44, "a flamboyant Pentecostal pastor from West Virginia," refused treatment for the snake bites and died within hours of a Sunday afternoon service in an isolated park. The Washington Post Magazine profiled Wolford last year:
An earlier piece detailed how Woford had combed the backwoods of West Virginia for the snakes he kept in his back bedroom for his prayer events at the isolated, tiny Church of the Lord Jesus
Wolford told the Magazine interviewer last year how the passion to believe survived the pain of his father's death:
And so he died, surrounded by the prayers of family and believers. So ... what about this snake-handling practice? And in terms of testing your faith, whose choice is it - yours or God's?
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| 13 months ago :: Jun 02, 2012 - 4:55PM #2 | |
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In every school I know of, the teachers are the ones who give the tests. Likewise in the school of life - God tests our hearts and our faith by the adversities of life. As far as handling poisonous snakes - stupid is as stupid does. It's right up there with drinking poison on purpose as a test of faith. Most Bible teachers do not believe Jesus was literally teaching that Christians should handle poisonous snakes, reason being... Scripture does not show any examples of Christians handling snakes as a test of their faith. Paul was once bitten by an asp, but there is no indication that this was done as a sign or a test of his faith. The fact that he did not suffer and die from the snake bite did amaze the natives on the island, but it was not what I would call a genuine miracle. Paul may have been bitten, but poisoned? maybe not. If he was actually injected with snake's venom, than yes a miracle happened... but even so, nothing in there says that Christians should go and do likewise. But, given what snakes represent in Scripture, Jesus did give His Disciples power over evil spirits. And personally, that is what I believe Jesus meant in Mark 16. Pentecostal snake handlers are fortunately not characteristic of Pentecostalism in general... so I would stay as far away from them as possible. They are nothing but "brotherlove showboaters" and I have no respect for their irresponsible antics whatsoever. Stupid is as stupid does, and in this case stupid got bit and died... making a mockery of those who believe in Christ. ~ Theophilus |
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| 13 months ago :: Jun 02, 2012 - 7:35PM #3 | |
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Ray Stevens - "Smokey Mountain Rattlesnake Retreat" Given just how overtly religious a person Ray Stevens is (he's done several gospel albums in addition to his novelty numbers), it should say something when even he finds the practice just that rediculous. |
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 04, 2012 - 6:40AM #4 | |
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I personally believe that OUR testing of God is wrong. To me, it suggests lack of faith, in that the person. In a way, it is like the person is saying that they have to do some dangerous thing and have God protect them and/ or heal them in order for them to know/ have security that God will do so. To me, there is a significant difference a person having something (such as cancer) occur to them, and that person having the faith that God will heal them, and quite another for someone to purposely bring things upon themselves (such as handling of snakes/ other poisonous creatures, walking across Niagara Falls, or other VERY dangerous things) believing that God will heal/ protect them. One suggests that we have faith, while the other (IMO) suggests that we need confirmation. On the other hand, I believe that when WE are tested, God is trying to make a point of something. I also believe that God doesn’t give us more then we can handle, so when we are tested, it wouldn’t be a test so great that in the end we end up in despair and having killed ourselves. JFG |
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 04, 2012 - 1:46PM #5 | |
Your comments about our testing God resonate with me. There's a moment in Scripture in which Isaiah (I think) takes one of the kings to task for testing God - actually, for trying the patience of God. It's a funny moment and quite sarcastic, but very wise. I think your comments about snake-handling being the kind of reckless display of lack of faith and need for reassurance of God's love are also very well-taken. Apparently, this particular guy had a spare room full of poisonous snakes. He used to lie down with them, dance with them and wrap them around his neck. And this was in private - not in a worship service.
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 04, 2012 - 1:51PM #6 | |
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One of the bloggers at the HuffPo observes that this kind of reckless behavior is also a search for ecstasy in religious experience. He observes that "an overwhelming penchant for ecstasy ... is imbalanced and, in [this] case, altogether too dangerous." He goes on to make an important point: "Our Christian roots do not prize ecstasy at the expense of intellect, emotions without reason." He goes on to connect the dots with his perception of rural West Virginia, including the state's very geography. He talks about the limits of life there. He says: "If you've ever driven through rural West Virginia, you see those limits firsthand: deep ravines, curving rivers dotted with chemical plants. It's perennial dusk in some places, a shadowy land without a horizon. Snake-handling, poison-drinking - these are the things that bring transcendence, light, sunshine to a few dreary churches in the valleys of West Virginia." So there's this notion of a quest for ecstasy in the religious life quite apart from the notion of testing God or ourselves. What do y'all think about that?
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 04, 2012 - 1:55PM #7 | |
I'm personally not sure how I feel about the notion of God testing us; I sometimes think a better paradigm would work for me. But I still think your point is well-taken.
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 04, 2012 - 5:16PM #8 | |
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The passage in question (Mark 16:18) is from the so-called "long" ending of Mark. Since this does not appear in the earliest manuscripts, there is not universal agreement as to its authenticity. It is not contained in any other Gospel. In any case, as distinct from other parts of this passage, it is descriptive and not prescriptive. "They will handle snakes" as opposed to "Go into the world and preach the Gospel". So it is untrue to say that Jesus commanded his followers to handle snakes. This is similar to the context of the other NT reference. In Acts there is an account of Paul being bitten by a poisonous snake and recovering- but this was accidental, Paul certainly did not do this as a proof of his faith.
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 04, 2012 - 9:32PM #9 | |
What an elitist that fellow is! I'd be willing to bet that the hillbillies in West Virginia are closer to God than Huffpo bloggers any day.
Sex is the mysticism of materialism and the only possible religion in a materialistic society.
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 05, 2012 - 10:40AM #10 | |
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. Another benefit associated with believers is the power of healing. Maybe that preacher man should have taken that up as proof of his faith instead of tempting fate with toxic reptiles. †. Mrk 16:17-18 . . And these signs shall follow them that believe. In my name . . . they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. †. 1Cor 12:30 . . Do all have gifts of healing? No; not all have gifts of healing. So then, I think it's reasonable to assume that not all are immune to snakebite either. Cliff |
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