| 13 months ago :: May 26, 2012 - 9:11PM #21 | |
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. †. 1Cor 5:7 . . For Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed. The law of the Passover clearly states that no one is permitted to eat the same lamb more than once; not even its leftovers. †. Ex 12:8-11 . .That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and unleavened bread. Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire-- head, legs and inner parts. Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must incinerate it. Point being, it is a violation of Passover principles to keep coming back to an altar over and over again to dine upon Jesus' body by ingesting consecrated host after consecrated host. An additional stipulation is that paschal flesh cannot be eaten raw, which has led me to wonder if transubstantiation fans ever think to question if the flesh of the Lord's body they assume to be eating has been thoroughly cooked first. Cliff |
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| 13 months ago :: May 26, 2012 - 10:20PM #22 | |
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 6:49AM #23 | |
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Weber; That blood, and that body, are gone forever; having been supplanted by an altogether new, heaven-born body. Then why was the tomb empty ?? Job understood “… And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God…” Job 19 Isaiah prophesying of the resurrection wrote “ Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.” Isa 26:19 Jesus said “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will braise it up….he spake of the temple of his body” John 2 Thomas wouldn’t believe the Lord had raised from the dead until; “ I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side” So when the Lord appears to him Jesus tells him “Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing” John 20 His resurrected body retained the scars from the cross. In Luke 24 they handle his body and he ate with them. The miracle is the spirit gives life to the body and we can eat all we want without getting fat. Obviously the body which went into the tomb is the one that came out. Weber; Did the Lord's earth-born body ascend to heaven? No, it did not. He went up in a new, heaven-born body; ....
Luke wrote about the day Jesus ascended into heaven; “… He was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days…while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. ….And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” I don’t see anywhere there where it says he switched bodies or something. It’s not that he took on a different body but that he changed the mortal one he had into an immortal one. 1Cor 15 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. “ The quickening spirit raises the corruptible mortal body which found it’s life in the blood and changes it into a spiritual body.
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 10:09AM #24 | |
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. The Lord's Supper (as Protestants prefer to label a communion service) is Christianity's equivalent of a Memorial Day. †. 1Cor 11:26 . .Whenever you eat of this bread and drink from this cup, you are proclaiming the death of the Lord until he comes That's precisely why I sincerely believe communion services should never be held behind closed doors or in secret chambers; but always be observed in full view of the whole congregation, both the saved and the unsaved-- as not only a reminder, but also as an advertisement. †. Mrk 16:15 . . Go into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone, everywhere. The Lord's Supper is a pretty good way to comply with that mandate. Communion consists of but two elements; but they speak volumes. The world of today lacks an adequate concept of justice. The cross' concept is vivid. One look at that bloody spectacle and there's no mistaking that the Bible God's heart is set on retribution. †. Isa 52:14 . . Many were amazed when they saw him-- beaten and bloodied: so disfigured one would scarcely tell he was human. The Romans whipped the Lord to within an inch of his life, slapped him around, crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his palms and his feet. But that was child's play compared to what God did. By the time those hours of darkness lifted; the Lord's own mother would have trouble recognizing him. †. Luke 23:48 . .When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. Yes, of course they beat their breasts; and you know why? Because they were having trouble catching their breath. The extent of that man's injuries were so horrific that they could scarcely tell he was the same man. If that's what his own Father did to him during those three hours of darkness on the cross; then just think what the Bible's God has in store for people who pooh-pooh its purpose as silly nonsense. At the very minimum; they too will be beaten and bloodied beyond recognition. I suspect that by the time some people's day in court is completed at the Great White Throne depicted at Rev 20:11-15; they will look as though they were dragged through a field of concertina wire and dropped into a cotton gin. Cliff |
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 11:58AM #25 | |
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 12:09PM #26 | |
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Cliff; Yes, of course they beat their breasts; and you know why? Because they were having trouble catching their breath. gees Cliff ya need to learn a little about their culture, those people still beat their breast and rend their clothes when they get a little upset. It's how they show strong emotion.
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 12:11PM #27 | |
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Theo; We are to do it often, even as St. Paul said in 1 Cor 11:26 ... "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes."
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come. 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. That really is an argument against the once saved all ways saved doctrine. The Lord gave us two ordinance for his new testament or covenant. The first is baptism. In Gal 3:27 he says those who have been baptized have put on Christ. Think about it, you go down into the water and are complete immersed while the baptizer says in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. Then with this sacrament of bread and wine we are taking into our bodies as symbols of his body. There is a total body and personal experience. Under the old covenant the priest would sprinkle the crowd but this way we are making a personal covenant & commitment. In Mormon doctrine the sacrament is a renewing of the baptismal covenant in that as Paul said “But let a man examine himself”. We should each ponder the last week and ask ourselves have I taken on me the name of Christ, have I followed in his footsteps. If I haven’t then I need to repent and ask the Lord’s forgiveness least I “…..eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to” myself, not discerning the Lord’s body as I should.
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 12:18PM #28 | |
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Some Christians believe the Lord rose from the dead with the same body with which he was crucified. Others believe he rose from the dead with a brand spanking new glorified body. Others believe he rose from the dead as a spirit and that the human body he showed Thomas wasn't real; but rather one that the Lord materialized; viz: an apparition. And yet others believe the Lord rose from the dead with the same body with which he was crucified but when he ascended to heaven forty days later, his body underwent a miraculous regeneration-- in a moment, in the blink of an eye --to an amazing supernatural body. All that confusion only goes to prove just how un-obvious the particulars of the Lord's resurrection really are; and causes me to guffaw whenever I see someone describe their Bible quotes as the "plain teachings of scripture". Haw! scripture is anything but plain: a lot of it is practically smoke and mirrors. Cliff |
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 4:02PM #29 | |
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| 13 months ago :: May 27, 2012 - 4:25PM #30 | |
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