Jun 21, 2012 -- 9:11PM, TRUECHRISTIAN wrote:

I disagree that he is tried to "gratutioisly" tried to offend strangers.  It was his stated intention to offend those strangers to offend those Muslims who convicted the Pastor in Iran.

Jun 22, 2012 -- 3:15PM, smcisaac wrote:

Even so, he chose to do it in a way that also expressed contempt for the whole religion and its 1 1/2 billion followers, not only the few whom you say he intended to insult. 

I disagree that it was the intention of Pastor Terry to express contempt for the WHOLE religion. 

I also disagree that it was the intention of Pastor Terry to express contempt for ALL of the 1.7 billion Muslims. 

Where we disagree is on the issue of "intent". 

Pastor Terry clearly expressed the reason for his burning the Quran.  

You apparently do not believe him.   

Was it the "intent" of the Muslims in Iran to express contempt for the WHOLE Christian religion and ALL 2.5 billion Christians?  

I do not know the reason, the intent of the Muslims in Iran for passing the death sentence.   

Jun 22, 2012 -- 3:15PM, smcisaac wrote:

Anyway, how much insult and hatred can one express and still be in the right, rather than in the wrong?

It would depend on the individual situations.  

If I understand you correctly, you think it NEVER wrong to insult or express contempt towards anyone for any reason. 

I also think it depends on what you expressing hatred towards. 

Love the sinner HATE the sin. 

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It is clear to me that Jesus was insulting many of the Pharisees and Sadducees.  It is clear to me that he was not insulting or expressing contempt for the Judiac religion or ALL Jews or even ALL Pharisees and Saducees.  

He clearly gave the reasons what he was expressing hatred for, which was that because

 ""Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit." "The poison of vipers is on their lips.""

I think we would both agree that Jesus did not say this out of HATRED for those Pharisees and Saducess but out of LOVE.

Jun 22, 2012 -- 3:15PM, smcisaac wrote:

Is there a difference between rightly giving offense and wrongly giving offense, between right hatred and wrong hatred?

Yes, there is a difference.  It is right to give offense for what people DO, if it is wrong, it is wrong to give offense towards THE PEOPLE themselves. 

Jun 22, 2012 -- 3:15PM, smcisaac wrote:

 Is it ever right to behave in a way that can resonably be expected to provoke hateful feelings in others?

The problem is with what is "reasonable".   If I was Jewish, it could be "resonable" for me to "reason" that what Jesus said about the Pharisees and Saducees was meant to provoke hatred and contempt for the Judiac religion and ALL Jews. 

Jun 22, 2012 -- 3:15PM, smcisaac wrote:

What about this incident, which took place just last week?  Were these self-described "Bible Believers" acting rightly, or wrongly? 

It is clear and reasonable, to me, in this incident and situations that the "intent" of those Christians was to express hatred and contempt for the religion of Islam. 

""Islam is a religion of blood and murder" and "Muhammad (Islam's prophet) is a ... liar, false prophet, murderer, child molesting pervert." 

Wether or not Muslims are going to "burn in hell" because they are Muslims  and not Christians is....less clear.  There are Christians who do believe-think that ALL who are not Christians will burn in hell. 

What is clear to me is that ONLY GOD KNOWS. 

Jun 22, 2012 -- 3:15PM, smcisaac wrote:

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.  And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister."  I John 4:20-21

While Jesus did not explicting state to "love the sinner"  and "hate the sin" most if not all do think-believe that is "resonable".  I am sure that you will agree with me that they are TRUECHRISTIAN that these "missionaries" are FALSECHRISTIAN.

It would be reasonable that those Muslims would be offended and insulted by what those "missionaries" did. 

It would all be "reasonable" that ALL 1.7 billion Muslims on the planet would also be offended and insulted, if they all heard about it.

It would be reasonable that if those Muslims understood the TRUECHRISTIAN doctrine of "love the sinner, hate the sin" that they MIGHT NOT be insulted and offended.

"Other missionaries  (TRUECHRISTIAN?)at the festival were less confrontational(offensive-insulting?), handing out fliers telling Muslims to convert and handing out free Christian books.

One(TRUECHISTIAN?) wore a T-shirt that read ''I (heart symbol) Muslims'' while handing out fliers that urged Muslims to ''accept the Lord Jesus Christ.''

What is clear to me is that there was no violence or threats of violence either by these FALSECHRISTIAN(?) or by the TRUEMUSLIMS.

What is clear and resonable to me is that IF ALL 1.7 billion Muslims hear about this incident that SOME FALSEMUSLIMS(?)"  "might" be so offended and insulted that they would commit violence against Christians who had nothing to do with this "incident-situation".  

Jun 22, 2012 -- 5:57PM, theinterpreter wrote:

Muslims are not worshippers of my God. They are the enemies of God, and the 7th head of the Satanic beast of the Revelation, who trampled Jerusalem underfoot for 1260 years as prophesied. Now their time is up, but they want to rule Jerusalem again, and are hell bent on staring the Battle of Ar Mageddon. Islam has to be defeated, and then there will be peace for a thousand years.

smcisaac

I would be willing to bet more than a dollar that you would disagree with "theinterpreter" and that he disagrees with you. 

I would be willing to bet more than a dollar that you disagree that his interpretation of the Bible is a FALSEINTERPRETATION(?) and it is reasonable that he is  a FALSECHRISTIAN. 

I think that all three would agree that Muslims who hear about his "interpretation" wether it is "true" or "false" would be offended and insulted by his "interpretation". 

Jun 22, 2012 -- 5:57PM, theinterpreter wrote:

Pastor Jones needs to have another Quran burning to protest the genocide that Muslims are carrying out on Christians in Nigeria.

Unlike the protest by Pastor Jones, I think that more people are aware of the Muslims who are carrying out genocide, against Christians in Nighera.  

If I were an American-Muslim(TRUEMUSLIM ?) I would dissagree that those Muslims(FALSEMUSLIMS ?)in Nigeria interpretating the Quran truly.