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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 10:38AM #11
Eliascomes
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Mar 2, 2012 -- 11:08AM, Webers_Home wrote:


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Mar 1, 2012 -- 5:24PM, Eliascomes wrote:

Lusting come from the heart


The koiné Greek word for "lust" in Mtt 5:28 is epithumeo (ep-ee-thoo-meh'-o) which means: to set the heart upon; viz: long for (rightfully or otherwise).


Not all lusting is bad. Lusting's object is what makes the difference; for example: Paul cautioned about craving evil things (1Cor 10:6) which implies that it's okay to crave non-evil things.


The way I see it: there's nothing wrong in noticing a man's wife and admiring the goods; but not okay to set one's heart upon an affair with her. There's a huge difference between the two behaviors: the one is a reaction; the other is a response. I can't control my reactions; but I can sure as hell control my responses and respect the boundaries. Some guys just don't know the meaning of the word honor.


But hey; let's reverse the roles. Mtt 5:28 regulates the affairs of men with married women. Does it therefore grant women permission to set their hearts upon an affair with a married man?


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Craving for the right things this verse explained.


Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,  for they will be filled.


 Exodus 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”


Romans 13:9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”  and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”


 Respecting your neighbor is part of loving them. Undressing someone with your eyes is the same as undressing them physically. When we admires someone else properties or spouse, that type of coveting grows like yeast, eventually it will turn into envy or jealousy of the owner of these items.                                                                                                                          James 4:2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God.


 King David admired someone wife that led him to committing Adultery, deceiption, and murder. 


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 10:40AM #12
Webers_Home
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 9:05AM, hamerhas wrote:

It was absolutely " New " in every way compared with the commandment.


Maybe you don't see the correlation between Mtt 5:28 and Ex 20:17; but I do.


One very important aspect to factor in when studying the Lord's interpretation of Moses' covenanted law is that he came to uphold it; not to change it (Mtt 5:17-19). In point of fact, it is illegal, even for Jesus, to make any changes to Moses' covenanted law— either to revise it, to add to it, to subtract from it, or to amend it.


†. Deut 4:2 . .You shall not add anything to what I command you or take anything away from it, but keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I enjoin upon you.


†. Deut 5:29-30 . . Be careful, then, to do as the Lord your God has commanded you. Do not turn aside to the right or to the left: follow only the path that the Lord your God has enjoined upon you,


Had the Lord made any attempt whatsoever to embellish upon Moses' covenanted law he would have incurred a swift curse upon himself.


†. Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.


†. Gal 3:10-11 . . For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.


Was the Lord under the Law? Yes.


†. Gal 4:3 . .When the time had fully come, God sent His son: born of a woman, born under law


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 11:10AM #13
Webers_Home
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

When we admires someone else properties or spouse, that type of coveting grows like yeast


You shouldn't be using a pronoun like "we" in a statement like that. Not everyone is as weak as  you.



Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

You desire but do not have, so you kill.


I have never killed a man in order to get his wife; and at 68 years old, if I haven't done it by now; I probably won't ever.



Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight.


I have never fought and/or quarreled over a women— married or otherwise —and at 68 years old, if I haven't done it by now; I probably won't ever.



Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

You do not have because you do not ask God.


That's certainly not true of me.


You know: I can see right now that nobody's reputation is safe in your hands. In one crazy indictment, without the slightest evidence to substantiate your allegations; you have accused me of quarrelling and fighting with men over their wives, of murdering husbands, and of neglecting prayer.


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 11:26AM #14
Eliascomes
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:10AM, Webers_Home wrote:


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Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

When we admires someone else properties or spouse, that type of coveting grows like yeast


You shouldn't be using a pronoun like "we" in a statement like that. Not everyone is as weak as  you.


 We are all weak. If we were put under pressure, we'll brake. But we have the ability to overcome it by learning trom our mistake.



Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

You desire but do not have, so you kill.


I have never killed a man in order to get his wife; and at 68 years old, if I haven't done it by now; I probably won't ever.




Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight.


I have never fought over a women— married or otherwise —and at 68 years old, if I haven't done it by now; I probably won't ever.



Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Eliascomes wrote:

You do not have because you do not ask God.


That's certainly not true of me.


You know: I can see right now that nobody's reputation is safe in your hands. In one fell swoop, without the slightest evidence to substantiate you allegations; you have accused me of quarrelling and fighting with men over their wives, of murdering husbands, and of neglecting prayer.


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 4:40PM #15
Webers_Home
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:26AM, Eliascomes wrote:

We are all weak. If we were put under pressure, we'll brake.


That's a crock. Lots of men have been put under pressure without breaking. What I see going on here is that you are projecting your own weaknesses on others as if no one could possibly be a better a man than you. Well; I happen to know several men, including myself, who wouldn't break even if lookers like Kim Kardashian and/or Christina Aguilara should throw themselves at us. What in the world is the matter with you casting aspersions like that upon your fellow men's integrity. I for one am deeply offended by your remarks.


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 7:28PM #16
hamerhas
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:40AM, Webers_Home wrote:


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Mar 3, 2012 -- 9:05AM, hamerhas wrote:

It was absolutely " New " in every way compared with the commandment.



Maybe you don't see the correlation between Mtt 5:28 and Ex 20:17; but I do.


One very important aspect to factor in when studying the Lord's interpretation of Moses' covenanted law is that he came to uphold it; not to change it (Mtt 5:17-19).


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Wrong.


The word used is "fulfil" .


Fulfil has a meaning completely seperate from " uphold "


And fulfil does not mean  "change " either.


Apples & oranges on both counts.


 " Fulfil " means to take it to it's ultimate true intent  , as only the author of it could.


The Lord was not making an attempt at further " interpretation " as you seem to think.


He was not interested in distributing interpretation . He was ingaged in bringing this crowd to a place of spiritual


discovery thru a revelation of Himself.


Just as Moses beheld the strange fact of a burning bush. Burning but not consumed.


He was arresting their attention  & calling them from  death unto life .


What joy of forgiveness and what power of love awaits the listening soul.  


                       "Think not that I am come to destroy the law.....I am not come to destroy but to fulfil."


                                           ( Matthew 5:17)

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 9:51PM #17
Eliascomes
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Webers_Home wrote:


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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:26AM, Eliascomes wrote:

We are all weak. If we were put under pressure, we'll brake.


That's a crock. Lots of men have been put under pressure without breaking. What I see going on here is that you are projecting your own weaknesses on others as if no one could possibly be a better a man than you. Well; I happen to know several men, including myself, who wouldn't break even lookers like Kim Kardashian and/or Christina Aguilara should throw themselves at us. What in the world is the matter with you casting aspersions like that upon your fellow men's integrity. I for one am deeply offended by your remarks.


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Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.


Matthew 19


8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”


10The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”


11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”


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 While you are making love in bed with your spouse, and your spouse is thinking about another person during the process. Would that make you feel uncomfortable? 

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 10:13PM #18
Eliascomes
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 Mandela was in prison for a very long time and he could have been released early, but he wouldn't let the south African Government to take control of his organization ( ANC ). But I wonder would he give in if they tempted him for a one nighter with Kim Kardashian. Women can brake a man and that's why a man shouldn't focus on other women. 

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 8:32AM #19
Webers_Home
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 7:28PM, hamerhas wrote:

The word used is fulfil


The Lord not only fulfilled Moses' covenanted law, but he also upheld it. Had he not upheld it, he would have incurred a swift curse upon himself; and not only that, he would have reduced himself to the level of one of the least in the kingdom of God.


†. Mtt 5:19 . .Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


†. Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.


†. Gal 3:10-11 . . For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.



Mar 3, 2012 -- 7:28PM, hamerhas wrote:

Wrong


Is it impossible that you are the one wrong rather than me? You should be a little more circumspect with your choice of words lest the hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat them.


†. Mtt 12:35-37 . . But I say to you that for every thoughtless word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.


Back in 1965, I tried my hand as a Kirby vacuum salesman; and as part of my training I was assigned to read a book titled: How To Win Friends And Influence People by Dale Carnegie. One of Mr. Carnegie's iron-clad rules for productive social intercourse is never, ever, ever tell somebody they're wrong; no; not even when you sincerely believe they are. Telling people they are wrong demeans them, makes them defensive, questions their intelligence, talks down to them, and assassinates their character; plus, it sets your own self up for a complete loss of credibility should it turn out you were the one wrong all along.


Here's a rule of thumb that seems to work really well in Bible discussions when it's put into practice.


†. Mtt 7:12 . . So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 8:46AM #20
Webers_Home
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:13PM, Eliascomes wrote:

Mandela was in prison for a very long time and he could have been released early, but he wouldn't let the south African Government to take control of his organization ( ANC ). But I wonder would he give in if they tempted him for a one nighter with Kim Kardashian. Women can brake a man and that's why a man shouldn't focus on other women.


Not all men are as King David and/or Bill Clinton. To insist that all males everywhere are no different, is not only stereotyping, but also insinuates that adultery is systemic. That, in my opinion, is very unfair to the decent men on this planet.


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