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1 year ago  ::  Jan 16, 2012 - 9:20PM #141
Hatman
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So you have chosen not to believe Christ, it seems, perhaps preferring a comfortable lie to an uncomfortable truth; the consequences of your choice will be borne by you...and it's possible that the blood of any who are taken in by your deceptions, who choose to believe YOU(or Paul or anyone else) over Christ Himself---may also be required of you.

Your claim that His words are "taken out of context" is specious, at best---a pernicious, contemptible lie to comfort someone's hypocrisy, at worst...and retreating to false comfort of the words of Paul will not help you, either, for salvation is not in Paul.

You really only have two choices, here: believe Him, or not.  The latter course involves seeking any excuse to not believe and obey Him over all others.

That you don't LIKE the choices makes them no less true, and pretending that He did not say or did not mean what He said is simple self-deception, a course of action that i do my utmost to dissuade people from following, as even He did, e.g. "Why do you call Me 'Lord, lord', and do not do what I tell you?".

Warmest regards-

Hatman
"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 17, 2012 - 1:05AM #142
Rgurley4
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Here's how things worked in my life...in this ORDER...supported by Scripture:


1. Drawn by God the Holy Spirit to the TRI-UNE GOD


2. Saved by unmerited Grace through Spirit-led Faith / BELIEF...ONLY...Jesus SAVES!


3. Indwelt by God the Holy Spirit to be guided and grow into "good works".


4. As a saved believer, Jesus the God-man promises Forgiveness of Sins if I am outside the will of God.


5. The TRI-UNE GOD promises spiritual strength and wisdom to "endure" the tests of the world.


6. Jesus the Christ commands us to OBEY by Loving God + Loving Neighbor as self...Love one another as He loved us...following His example, precepts, and commands are not burdensome if the believer allows God the Holy Spirit to control.


TRY:



John 15 (NASB)....Jesus Is the Vine—His Followers Are The Branches


7. I am a joyful believer because I am allowed to "abide" in Jesus the Christ. He will prune me and throw away the clippings so that I may produce "spiritual" good fruit...a living branch!


8. My POSITION: I am "seated" spiritually in heaven because Christ did it all.


9. My PRACTICE: I receive spiritual power to "endure".
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 17, 2012 - 2:14AM #143
Hatman
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There is really only one question to answer:

Did Christ say "Only he who endures to the end will be saved," yes or no?

Well, perhaps a follow-up question, too:

Did He mean what He said?

Warmest regards-

Hatman
"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 17, 2012 - 9:51AM #144
Eliascomes
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Jan 8, 2012 -- 4:23PM, 57 wrote:



John 10:27-30 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one."

How is it possible to lose ones salvation?



You can't lose salvation. Salvation is a feeling of relief after overcoming the impossible. And the only way to overcoming the impossible is through God.


Jonah 2:9 But I, with shouts of grateful praise,  will sacrifice to you. What I have vowed I will make good.  I will say, ‘Salvation comes from the LORD.’”






Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 17, 2012 - 11:37AM #145
Rgurley4
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Hatman's Doctrine: a believer must "endure to the end" to be saved.


What Jesus said in context:


Matthew 24 (NASB"   Jesus:... Signs: End of Church Age ...the TRIBULATION and GREAT TRIBULATION...4-28 (NASB)....The SECOND COMING....


3...(Disciples:)...what will be the sign(s) of your (SECOND) coming and of the end of the (CHURCH) age?"...


12  Because of the increase of wickedness, the love (OBEDIENCE to Jesus) of most will grow cold,
13  but he (the BELIEVER surviving in the TRIBULATION) who stands firm (in SPIRIT GUIDED faith) to the end (of the Tribulation) will be saved ( from APOSTASY)...( from WORSE and DEATH...see v. 22)
>>>>>"STANDING FIRM" is NOT a condition of SALVATION<<<<<
14  And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end (of the first half of the Tribulation) will come(...begin GREAT TRIBULATION...last 3.5 years)
 
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 17, 2012 - 7:24PM #146
Beautiful_Dreamer
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Jan 13, 2012 -- 3:18PM, allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:


Jan 13, 2012 -- 2:00PM, davelaw40 wrote:


everytime I try to move threads like these to C2C-I get slapped down by mgt





I think that says something in and of itself. 



And here I was just thinking that this was probably because you don't have other mods here that aren't Christian, so you probably just didn't see it.  There are several threads that are only about Christian ideals that IMO have no place on this board, and make the atmosphere seem unwelcoming to those not of the Christian belief structure.  I know if I was a newbie coming to this site, and I read this thread and others like it, I wouldn't even bother trying to post here. 




Again, I don't mind a thread being moved to C2CD...I just want to *know* that it was moved so I have some sort of idea what to do with it. I've moved threads from 'church of one' people who think the entire Christian religion/Bible is wrong  or being practiced the wrong way (which really amounts to the same thing*) back to your board because I did not know where it came from. If I had, I would have either kept it or moved it to a different board. Just a simple 'this thread was moved from...' works fine for me...I don't think that's too much to ask...I can't speak for other mods or admins, though.



*I say this because I've seen people who believe in Jesus as the Messiah but that's it-they don't care about anything else that has been taught by the faith. When they start preaching that no Christian church has ever gotten anything right, that looks like they are attacking the faith in general. Correct me if I am wrong? Perhaps I should have asked one of you what you thought first, if so I'm sorry.

More where that came from...

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 17, 2012 - 9:54PM #147
Hatman
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So, yes or no answers are something you do not deign to give, i see, even with an explanation of your choice afterwards.  i point out what Christ says, exactly, and you attempt to besmirch, demean, debase, and hold me up to ridicule because i quote the Master's words, and you disingenuously call them "Hatman's doctrine."  Good luck with that one, bub!  Oh, and thanks for securing my place in Heaven...

i sometimes find it sad, sometimes wistfully humorous, how many toss His words behind them as soon they prove inconvenient to what they want to do, believe, say---or be.  For example, the Catholics and EO seem to take positive delight in honoring their "tradition" of calling putative spiritual superiors "Father," despite Christ's clear prohibition otherwise, or those who claim that Matthew 25 is inapplicable to everyday life because it refers(in "context") to the final judgment.

Or to reference another apparent sticking point, let me briefly make an edit to a passage, and ask you what you think:

"In the Beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God.  All things came into being through the Bible, and without the Bible was nothing made that was made."

Is this an accurate paraphrase of John 1:1 et seq., and if not, why not?

Warmest regards-

Hatman
"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 18, 2012 - 1:41AM #148
Rgurley4
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Hatman: a few forced questions for you. I answered yours with Bible interpretation.


As a Christ-follower, is your spirit saved from eternal separation from God?


If so, how so?


If not, why not?


As a Christ-follower, my salvation is both PROGRESSIVE and SECURE. It started with:


SAVING FAITH:


John 1:12,14 (NIV)
Yet to all who received him,
to those who believed in his name,
he gave the right to become children of God...
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, (Jesus)
who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


Acts 16: 30-31 (NIV)
Paul and Silas and their jailer...He then brought them out and asked,
"Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved
—you and your household."


1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous (Jesus) for the unrighteous (us),
to bring you to God.
He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,


Ephesians 2:8-10 (NIV)
For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through (Spirit-led) FAITH—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works,
which God prepared in advance for us to do.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 18, 2012 - 1:46AM #149
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Do You Believe We Can Lose Our Salvation? If So, Why?



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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 2:58AM #150
Dostojevsky
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"Do You Believe We Can Lose Our Salvation? If So, Why?"


You fall in love till-death-do-us-part, only to part long before physical death.


The love which appeared so real had died.


Consciously choosing Christ Jesus and to walk in His ways makes us new creation. The bond is deeper than that on the natural level as it is conjunction of our finite with the infinite of God.


To lose this bond you would have to want to lose it. It would be like gold wanting to become clay. This is the choice man alone can make.
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