Oct 15, 2011 -- 9:32AM, Eagle-1 wrote:

Thanks  for  the  compliment  that  people  are  reading and studying  my  words.   Maybe.  But  admonishing me to be correct  I'm frankly afraid  is  awfully  arrogant.  Nobody knows everything.   The  Christian  WOMAN  who  some  say  is  another  Esther,  of  Micah 4 and Revelation 12,  is   endorsed  as   CORRECT,  in,  I  think  w/out actually looking it up right now,  the  last  verse.    

  I was quoting birwin4. That's to whom my reply was directed. Although, the same applies to yourself. Your words are being read by many people. It is incumbent on you to be correct in your words. You have no choice in the matter. You only think you do. If you believe that you are wrong, or there is the least chance that what you say could mean something else, then you must wait until you are absolutely sure of your words. If you don't, one day I'll witness your regret. That has nothing to do with being arrogant. I use this same principle in all my dealings with anyone. When interpreting, you are dealing with God. Doesn't he deserve the same respect? Michae1

Jul 16, 2011 -- 1:33AM, birwin4 wrote:

Here is another way of looking at the Beast.

  The general meaning is this. Satan, cast out of heaven, knows that his time is short and is determined to do as much damage as he can. To cause that damage on earth he delegates his power to the two beasts who are the central figures in this chapter.
  The beast from the sea stands for the Roman Empire, to John the incarnation of evil and is described in terms which come from Daniel. In Dn.7:3-7 there is a vision of four great beasts who come out of the sea; they are the symbols of the great empires which have held world power and of an empire which, when Daniel was written, was holding world sway. The beast like a lion with an eagle's wings stands for Babylon; the one like a bear stands for Media; the one like a leopard with four wings stands for Persia; and the fourth stands for the empire of Alexander the Great. As the writer of Daniel saw these world powers, they were so savage and inhuman that they could be symbolized by nothing but bestial figures. It was only natural for a Jew to go back to this picture of the beastly empires when he wished to find a picture of another satanic empire threatening God's people in his own day.
  John's picture in the Revelation puts together in the one beast the features of all four. It is like a leopard with bear's feet and a lion's mouth. That is to say, for John the Roman Empire was so satanic that it included all the terrors of the evil empires which had gone before.
  This beast has seven heads and ten horns. These stand for the rulers and the emperors of Rome. Since Augustus, the first Roman Emperor, there had been seven emperors; Tiberius, A.D. 14-37; Caligula, A.D. 37-41; Claudius, A.D. 41-54; Nero, A.D. 55-68; Vespasian, A.D. 69-79; Titus, A.D. 79-81; Domitian, A.D. 81-96. These seven emperors are the seven heads of the beast. But in addition it is said that the beast had ten horns. The explanation of this second figure lies in this. After the death of Nero there was a short period of almost complete chaos. In eighteen months three different men briefly occupied the imperial power, Galba, Otho and Vitellius. They are not included in John's list of the seven heads but are included in the list of the ten horns.
  John says that on the heads of the beast there were blasphemous names. These are the titles which the emperors took to themselves. Every emperor was called divus or sebastos, which means divine. Frequently the very name God or Son of God was given to the emperors; and Nero on his coins called himself The Saviour of the World. For any man to call himself divine was a blasphemous insult to God. Further, the later emperors took as their title the Latin word dominus, or its Greek equivalent kurios (GSN2962), both of which mean lord, and in the Old Testament are the special title of God and in the New Testament the special title of Jesus Christ.
  The second beast which figures in this chapter, the beast from the land, is the whole provincial organization of magistrates and priesthoods designed to enforce Caesar worship, which confronted the Christians with the choice either of saying, "Caesar is Lord," or of dying.
  So, then, our picture falls into place. These two savage beasts, the might of Rome and the organization of Caesar worship, launched their combined attack on the Christians--and no nation had ever withstood the might of Rome. What hope had the Christians--poor, defenceless, outlaws?

If: '7025' before the flood + ~70 00 BC + 2012 = '16,037' years

And, 666 is given:  '16,037'/666 = 24.07957957957958...

.07957 957... x 666 = 53; 1948 + 53 = 2001...

'16,037'/777 = 20.63963963963964 Joshua; + 2001 =

1998/666 = 3.

plus 14 Jacob = 2012; the ninth day is Monday ; Her Feet Over The Moon. + 9

7 M, 7 M, 2/14 M = 1/7 M

7 + 7 + 1/7 Millennium.  Where: 14M/3M = 4.66666666666666...

And, 2/3 'Judea' = .66666... and the 6th Seal is written with 4 horses unfolding coming forward.

Reply to Wonderful Post, With Some  Selected  Quotes: 

Jul 14, 2011 -- 5:32PM, michae1 wrote:

The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. ,,,,,,,, Who is the false prophet, and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. ... Literally, what time frame should I see them? ......IMO,  since there's  been so much  talk  about masonic N.W.O. taking over,  the false prophet  who's  into  CHANGE, changing laws and customs, (Dan. 7:25, 26) until he gets hauled into court somehow, simply  flatters and enlists that group,  which is probably the worldwide "city" or organization which covertly "rules kings of earth",  and  although  "experts" have always cited numerology about 666, if we  pray for wisdom (James 1) we may come up with another idea, very simple, because,  would  God  ever give us info  we can't with His help understand?  The beast may  simply  belong in that organization and have six letters in each name, as Reagan did but he's  gone  so  it's  obviously  not  him.   They  just may both belong to the same denomination, trying to make it the rumored "one world religion", or may be corrupting it and planning to install their  own  version, giving resistors a very hard time, so we can't  even  use our currency (?) in the mkt place, Rev. 14, but it's a loyalty-to-Christ test, our "final exam".  JMO, which is all any of us can give. 

I'm  trying to be very brief, so not taking on every question, but I  really like your  statement  that  "Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with." ......

"Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings."  Love it.  The 7 "heads" are a/k/a kings, so probably are presidents, right here in U.S., Reagan the one who  received a normally-deadly wound but lived, and after that he seemed to change from  defending the Rev. 12 (and book of Micah, victim of youeurism conspiracy at Lachish archeology dig, all that's left of the city, showing it's the time of technology, Watergating experiment possibly, when Nixon group went to visit Mier?) to  telling a famous advice columnist publicly that it's  not  a  "false Cassandra" that we have. How soon after that change did he develop alzheimers?  I've never thought to try to figure that up.  Maybe  you  know.   Anyway,  I  don't  know why the heads are called mountains in Rev. 17, had noticed that myself.  Could it mean  higher ups in N.W.O.?

...... I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first.  ...Don't  most  scholars think it's not The Rapture but  that the Holy Spirit is  removed?  (And that opinion may be wrong too.)  Some ways the false prophet is to be  revealed  are:  He teaches  hatred in the house of his God,  He  relentlessly persecutes  a  Christian  woman, slandering her with falsifications like a flood of water, but  earth  "swallows up the flood", Rev. 12,  and she's probably the same book of Micah woman, because Rev. 12 says her  other children, after her house is made desolate, evidently of her own children, maybe  in fear, are all the saved, so she must be somehow  broadcasting to them, maybe without knowing it (?) The scenario is war, enmity, betw the woman and the false prophet, beast, and dragon, Satan, who may be inhabiting one of them.  Is it 1st or 2nd Cor. 11:14, I forget, which  says  Satan  himself is  in  religion, POSING AS  one of the messengers (angels) of light.  Peter tells us anyone  who  instead of talking about Christ , propagandizes  I  guess,  his envy and hatred,  is  an  antichrist.  There's at least one denomination I happen to know of, maybe more,  which  rejects  Revelation  (as  not  understandable, but would God give us something we could never hope to understand?) and misses out on the warnings near the  end of  the  book  about  falsified  evidences, I  guess, "that which maketh a lie". They  are  so sure they're the smartest  denomination, and that all the others will be lost  for  not  joining them in misinterpretation  of  "singing and making melody in your hearts".   They claim, it's  saying  the  heart is the only  musical  INSTRUMENT we're authorized to use,  despite  "the harps of God" being used IN WORSHIP in  Revelation, at  least  three  places,  and 20-30  verses  about  singing,  according to my online search, don't know if they found them all, which  either endorse or don't mention  any instrumental music doctrine.  We're  not to preach any other doctrine than WAS preached,  and, as far as we know, the early churches  had none re how to worship except  "in spirit and in truth".   Right?  Some have called them a  MILITANT  group or  cult, and some  have  cited  2nd Chronicles 7:14, that  one  group need to  humble THEMSELVES,  (maybe meaning rather than a  musician  woman)  and repent of some WICKED WAYS.   I'm  hoping  they'll  come to realize  praying for wisdom  COULDN'T HURT,  and  really  repent.   The Micah woman is told to rise and begin to thresh, that she  will  become  wealthy,  but  by  Rev. 12,  is  God  letting her off  the  hook, in your opinion, and possibly  others'  here?   Because she and the Rev. 22 TWO WITNESSES' period of  testimony  seems to be the very same  1260 "days",  she may not  want  to break  up  her  family, wants them all to view the Second Coming together,  also because the Two Witnesses  get  killed.  Is  God  letting  her  decline  to  rise  up, by not repeating this in  Rev. 12?   Or is there maybe more than one woman  it's happened to, a fact that's not mentioned  anywhere?   

  The  late  Presbyterian  pastor  D. James Kennedy used to say the 10 horns  are  ten territorial overlords,  as  if  he  maybe  knows  something, possibly about N.W.O.?  We  know the heads or kings  are just 7 or 8 in number.  I can't  remember,  was  Kennedy one  of  the  three  temporary  "Moral Majority"?   He was a PhD, and pretty intellectual.  How  could  he  have  been  fooled  by  (the  false  prophet, who  "corrupts  men  with  flattery"?) such "change"  people  into  that?   If he was.  ....

Re  the mark of the beat..... "Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe."  

Amen.  Or  an  implant,  when  so  many  of  us  already  know  they  can cause  cancer,  have  been  used  so  long  for  tracking  our  pets.

"Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. "  Don't  the  ten countries  refer to the final attack on  Israel?  And  a  Christian muslim on Syd Ross' program  said  they're  all  muslim countries  except Russia.   About the beast, in other places,  doesn't  it  say that for a  time  he  manages to  fool  most of the world,  except a  remnant, those  that  agree with the woman's  resisting his  changes?  Maybe the mark is beliefs, rather than a tatoo  or physical?  We'll have to wait and see.  Must agree with your next paragraph, Revived Roman Empire, so skipping it in my reply.

The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations......

Or,  if D. James Kennedy  was  into ill-reputed and I guess unscriptural  "Moral Majority"  for a time,  very  possibly  he  knew  additional  plans,  including  "10 overlords"  over  all  the  territories  of  the  earth.  Let's  just  keep  this possibility in  our  big  picture  for  now  until  we  find  out  for  sure,  okay?   And  the  Bible  does  not  actually  say  the  head (of state/king) received a  HEAD wound.  It could have been in his chest.  I  forget  where  Reagan's  was.  Maybe  you  remember?  Notice  it  doesn't  say  a  head  wound, as men  have been assuming for a long time.  It was a wound  to  a  head of state!   Right?  Of course  nations  are  wounded,  we're  told in several  places,  for  instance  in  Jeremiah 12:5 to end of chapter, the nation that lets some  big  brothers  keep  deceiving a man about his  beloved, obviously for money, inheritance  purposes, probably trying to get rid of her like the woman in Rev. 12, who may  be the same  one,  "I will  utterly  pluck up and destroy."  And in the 2nd Chronicles  reference I've already mentioned here,  it says  their NATION  needs to be healed, after their  repentance from forbidden  WICKED WAYS.  Ancient  Daniel (ch 11?) says  "He shall  give him  THE DAUGHTER OF WOMEN, but she shall not be on his side."  They  may  have  had  some Watergating  technology  implanted when she had some surgery,  which they wanted to test, and also  thought  she'd help preach  against  instrumental  music  accompaniment  to  singing?   She may be a musician, who worked for one of their colleges.   Some from there have boasted of some kind of  involvement with Lachish.  Which is no longer a city, just an archeology  site. ........

"The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. "  Keeping  this for future reference,  because  new  information  to  me.  Thanks.   Also can't argue with the nations you list waging war,  and  wonder  what's your opinion  of  "the 8th king is the beast"  if  I'm  right  that  the  fooled  presidents,  like when  Bush  Sr.  said,  "The church  can  do  anything it wants", as  his  copout  way  of  replying to rumored  mailed  protests  of  something  or  other.  Not saying he was definitely one of the seven, don't claim  to  know  which  ones  they  were, in America and maybe also another set in another part of the world, as you're saying below,   but  the  woman  flies  somewhere,  so  it's in the time of flying and  LOOK UPON  technology.   (How could "many nations"  look upon her,  maybe a   special  TB  channel  she  doesn't  know  about?)  ...An opinion, please, if you're not  too afraid  of  "them"  whoever or whatever they are. 

"I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.   

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship

( the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.)  There  goes  my  Reagan  theory, or, possibly  it  means  he  was  just  part  of  the  first  beast, or  something like that. Have  to  think about  this again,  always assumed  he  might  try to force us to worship Reagan's  "image".  Doing great wonders might also mean great deceptions?  Falsified  evidences  against  the  loyal  believers?  Thanks  for  all  the  Israel  info  I  didn't  study.   Through the years,  the ACLU and others  have  lamented  the forsaking of our constitutional rights, remember,  maybe spying on all of us  electronically and  citing "for they watch for your  souls",  which  obviously  doesn't  mean  illegally.   What could "fire from Heaven" mean?   I  know you're  aware  prophecies  can  have more than one  meaning. 

Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

...Word " Many"  in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest.  .......

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

Many thanks, Michael, for this study.  It was a lot of work.   And  now may  I  ask  a  question?   Do  you  or  anyone  reading  here  have  a  concordance,  not  new, because  the  beast and false prophet  could  be  getting  publishers  to  change  things,  already may  have  removed  what I'm  looking for,  that I know I've  read.  Would you look  up  word  Chaldeans,  and  the  verse  "He  uses  the  natural  violence of the Chaldeans as a  COVER", please?   I've  already  searched  online.   Hope  I  can  find  my  old  Cruden's,  which  may  not  have  noticed this.  Can't  remember where  I  found  it.  Another  of  the  many  scattered  clues  to  the  partners'  ID.   Start  a  new  thread  if  you  find  it?   Possibly  a  threat to nations' national  security, imo, just guessing and being an  elderly woman,  with a family of grown children and grandchildren,  one son  a  pilot,  AF vet,  I don't want to go public, was raised to love privacy, and most  are prejudged against believing women  anyway.  You can have it if you want.  Thanks.