Campbellite --  the TRUTH?

3john 3,4 - "walk in truth"

1 kings 2:4 and 1kings 3:6 - David walks in Truth before God; David walks in His ways , keeping the commandments, statutes and His judgements.

"Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God. How unsearchable are his judgements and unfathomable his ways." - Rom. 11:33. NRSV

Apr 13, 2010 -- 2:09PM, Sisterintruth wrote:

 

Jesus also said that the Sabbath day was made for man, not man for sabbath. We celebrate  the Lords day on Sunday(At least I do) because when he rose again after Passover, it was the 1st day of the week when he showed himself to the disciples. The disciples gathered in the Upper room, he appeared to them, had fellowship. So the apostles started meeting on the first day of the week. they still taught to others on the Jewish Sabbath day, but also met on the other days.

 

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On May 15, 2010 Bob10 wrote:

John 20:19 shows us that the disciples were  hiding for fear of the Jews; they were not gathered for worship.

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Greetings Bob10,

     I thought I would re-enliven our board with a little continued discussion.

First of all, thank you for putting a link to Bible.Logos in your post.  What a nice site, where just a click away is the Holy Bible!

Upon arriving at that site, I see the complete context of the scripture you reference.

Jesus Resurrected and appeared before Mary, and then...

 18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He had spoken these things to her.

19 Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace  be  with you.”  20 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.

 21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”  22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.  23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” 

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I agree with you Bob10, that the disciples were hiding from the Jews.  However, I can't imagine that Jesus appearing after His resurrection before His apostles, did not invoke great worship from them.  Not only did the Lord appear, but He gave His followers a commission... "I also send you".

Also, He gave them... The Holy Spirit.  

I feel that your point that this was not a worship service, may be lost to the fact that this was the first true presence of the Lord and the Holy Spirit at the end of all Passion and at the the very beginning of the Church Family in Faith and truly the God-present revelation of the Lord's followers.  It is the seed of all worship.  How could you be in the Lord's resurrected presence and not worship Him?

The difficulty I see in your reference is that, previous to the Lord's appearance, there really was no Church service planned.... after all, they were all just hiding in fear, not knowing what to do next.  Then Jesus appeared, told them what to do next, and gave them the power to do it.  I mean, that's what I go to Church for... to be told what to do next in my life, by the Lord and scripture, and gain the power with which to do it.

Perhaps you could give reference to the first Church service, and demonstrate how that day was actually the Sabbath.  Perhaps the day of Pentecost was the first Church service, as all disciples were preaching and many were converted.  That is certainly a Church service sort of behaviour.

Also, if I may say, through Jesus we are New Testament believers.  Your references to the Old Testament are the law previous to the appearance and sacrifice of the Son of God.

I have been taught that after Jesus' Ascension into Heaven that there really were not too many worship services going on.  Yes, there was evangelizing, but I was taught that historically, in the Jewish Temple, Peter and James sat in the back of the Temple, and when needy congregants  (like the lame, women, the displaced) would approach the Jewish Priests, they would send them to Peter and James because they belonged to a more compassionate form of the faith, and would give aid, because their Christ taught compassion.

Well, anyway, that's kinda my take on this.  I hope to hear from you soon!

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It is those who do God's commandments who have a right to the Tree of Life, and the permission to enter the City of God.

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                                                   Jesus and Paul agree

Jesus: "become the children of light" - Jn. 12:36
Paul: "walk as children of light" - Eph. 5:8

"The fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth" - Eph. 5:9, NRSV, NASB.
"Walk in the way of goodness and keep the paths of righteousness" - Prov. 2:20 (the words "goodness" and "righteousness" are from the center margin, Nelson KJV Study Bible).

Rom. 8:7-9 -- unless we keep "the law of God", we can not please God.
1Thes. 4:1 -- "....you learned from us how you ought to live and to please God (as, in fact, you are doing), you should do so more and more."

Jesus: Matt. 19:17, NIV -- “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
Paul: 1 Cor. 7:19, NRSV -- "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; but obeying the commandments of God is everything."

Jehovah/Jesus: Follow (pursue) righteousness - Isa. 51:1
Seek His righteousness - Matt. 6:33
Paul: 1Tim. 6:11, 2Tim. 2:22 -- Follow (pursue) righteousness

Listen to Me, you who know righteousness,
      You people in whose heart is My law - Isa. 51:7
My righteousness will not be abolished - Isa. 51:6

"Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law" -- Rom 3:31, NRSV.

Hebrews 11:6 - without faith, it is impossible to please God