| 4 years ago :: Oct 08, 2009 - 11:48PM #1 | |
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I did not see a section for people interested in the born again aspect of Christianity so I wanted to start one. I consider myself born again because at 16 when i finally got it that Yeshua was the son of God who came to the earth as a man and now has all power and authority, all things are subject to him, just as all things are subject to God. My spirit quickened to the greater knowledge above us, beyond us. A PLAN. I could not put the Bible down and this continued for 15-20 years and I am progressing and have made this journey a very satisfying journey. God has been faithful to his word.....seek and ye shall find, knock and it will be opened to you. I have God and worship him in spirit and truth in these last days. Being born again as the scripture states is just what I felt like when I had my epiphany about Yeshua. I wanted to follow after his example. 1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicode'mus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him." 3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4 Nicode'mus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born anew.' 8 The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes; so it is with every one who is born of the Spirit." John 3:1-8 Too many people oppossed to yeshua think with their human knowledge and reject that their spirit can connect to the God of the universe. Even the universe shows us we are connected to the cosmos, due to the scientific fact that the elements in the universe are in US. Hubble telescope 2009 partial view of the cosmos/universe.
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| 4 years ago :: Oct 09, 2009 - 12:03AM #2 | |
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Laisla - Hi! I am not born again, but I can relate to what you posted since I am a friend of Jesus (=Yeshua) and a follower of Jesus. What I (we - Jehovah's Witnesses) believe concerning being born again is different than most religions - I can explain if you would like me too. Suffice it to say for now that we believe those born again are part of the bride of Christ - and I am not part of the bride. I have the joy of being a friend of Jesus, as John the baptist said: (John 3:29) . . .He that has the bride is the bridegroom. However, the friend of the bridegroom, when he stands and hears him, has a great deal of joy on account of the voice of the bridegroom. Therefore this joy of mine has been made full. I am in this section either by accident or by God's direction. While I am here I will simply try to encourage you all to have faith in Yeshua and his Father, Jehovah. A question - why are you using a more Hebrew way of pronouncing the name of the only-begotten Son of God? I have no objection to this - I am just curious. And, what do you feel about the sacred Divine Name found nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures, which we pronounce Jehovah in English (other ways in other languages), and which is the sacred tetragrammaton in Hebrew - Yod He Vau He are the Hebrew consonants. I have in mind this Scripture, btw: (Malachi 3:16) . . .At that time those in fear of Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance began to be written up before him for those in fear of Jehovah and for those thinking upon his name. |
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| 4 years ago :: Oct 09, 2009 - 12:06AM #3 | |
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BTW - I love astronomy - thank you for posting that Hubble photo! (Psalm 19:1-2) 19 The heavens are declaring the glory of God; And of the work of his hands the expanse is telling. 2 One day after another day causes speech to bubble forth, And one night after another night shows forth knowledge. (Romans 1:20) . . .For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; |
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| 4 years ago :: Oct 09, 2009 - 12:57AM #4 | |
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I think the scriptures give many figures of speech about a relationship with God because of what Jesus Christ has done in his life, death and resurrection. Such figures as 'born from above' (born again), 'having drunk of the living water' being branches of the vine which is Christ, being 'in Christ' and "Christ being in us', etc. etc. What distinguishes a person with a relationship with God is really what Christ has done for them. This means our security is in the finished work of Christ and nothing else. The previous poster, as a JW, does not rely on the finished work of Christ and that is their prerogative. That is why they cannot claim any of the above relationships. The 'born from above people' were completed in 1914, according to the JW teaching. Again that is their belief and we can only leave them with it. It is not arrogance to claim a relationship with God because it does not depend on my observance of anything but depends solely on what Christ has done for me. As Paul wrote 'I boast only in Christ and his work for me'. |
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| 4 years ago :: Oct 09, 2009 - 1:30AM #5 | |
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Birwin4 - I guess you are misinformed about us. Approximately 10,000 of us are born again - including one of my best friends. What distinguishes me (Paul) from him (Mike) is not our belief in and acceptance of Jesus as our personal Savior - we both have done that. Nor is it having the love of Christ in our hearts and letting our lives be molded by Jesus through the Holy Spirit - we both do that also. Nor is it being born of God in the sense spoken of here: (1 John 4:7-8) . . .Beloved ones, let us continue loving one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born from God and gains the knowledge of God. 8 He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. In that sense Mike and I are both born from God. So, it may be that you and I are using a different definition of being born again. Can you post the definition you are using? Our belief is that only those who will actually rule with Christ are born again, all others who let the Peace of Christ rule in their hearts are those who will be ruled over and enjoying eternal life through the free gift from God through Christ. We choose whether we accept Jesus in our hearts. Jesus chooses who will be his bride and who will rule with him and who will be the meek that shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5) We have many enemies who will tell you lies about what we believe - I am sorry you have been so victimized. Why have you accused me of not accepting the finished work of Christ? We do as the Bible encourages us to do. For example: (Colossians 3:15-17) . . .Also, let the peace of the Christ control in YOUR hearts, for YOU were, in fact, called to it in one body. And show yourselves thankful. 16 Let the word of the Christ reside in YOU richly in all wisdom. Keep on teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, praises to God, spiritual songs with graciousness, singing in YOUR hearts to Jehovah. 17 And whatever it is that YOU do in word or in work, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him. And, since we disagree on some important points, do you agree we should sanctify Christ as Lord in our hearts in the way we respond to each other? (1 Peter 3:15) . . .But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.
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| 4 years ago :: Oct 09, 2009 - 1:56AM #6 | |
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I have no objection to Jehovah used as the name for God. He has so many. However, I have moved into finding the similarities between the OT and the NT which point to Yeshua as the messiah. I love bringing the messianic Jewish beliefs into my own understanding. Have always had a tremendous heart for the Jews. One of my oldest remembrances is living in Queens, NY and seeing the Orthodox Jews walking down my street in full attire and everything that that encompasses and at 3 or 4 years old, thinking they have a quality different from the world. They don't care what the world thinks about them.
Why do you consider yourself a born again, what transformed you or gives you that opinion. Regarding myself I pretty much devour truth from God and feel the Holy Spirit is certaintly teaching me, thus I feel the scripture that states you have to be born of water and spirit first to enter the Kingdom of God pertains to me.
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| 4 years ago :: Oct 09, 2009 - 8:55PM #7 | |
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'born again' should best be translated 'born from above'. In other words it is a work of God by his grace to change us into the image of Christ and so make us children of God. I do not subscribe to the idea that only 10000 have had God so work in their hearts that because of what God the Son, Jesus Christ did for us, we are in a new relationship with the Triune God. God has been working in multitudes of people since Christ founded his church 2000 years ago. He continues to do so today without a numerical limit. One interesting piece of Bible exegesis relates to the original usage by Christ of 'born from above'when he was speaking to Nicodemus. As a teacher of Israel Nicodemus would have been involved in the ceremony where a non-Jew was allowed to become a proselyte. He could not become a Jew because that is only possible through birth. In the ceremony 5 things were required by The Rabbi: a sacrifice, a prayer, a baptism, circumcision for males and a special ceremony. This ceremony was conducted by the Rabbi who had 10 Jewish males form an arch symbolising the birth canal. The proselyte was asked to go under the arch and when he came out the other side the Rabbi would shout' You are born from above(born again)'. Nicodemus was upset at Jesus (Yeshua) because he had told him that he, a Jew and a teacher in Israel at that, also neede to be born again or born from above. This is a similar limitation set by the judaistic tradition on who could be a legitimate child of God as JW's teach. Jeshua pushed this limitation aside by saying all ethnic groups need to be born from above not just non-Jews.
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| 3 years ago :: Jun 29, 2010 - 6:38PM #8 | |
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To all, greetings and peace. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jun 29, 2010 - 7:37PM #9 | |
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Newtonian I like now to refer to The Living God as YHWH, said in a breathy way. Jehovah just is so english. I know a bit about JW's and feel they are off target in some things. But I find them to be devoted and anxious to please the Lord. In the OT all the places where it is written "Lord" there was originally "YHWH". I still get their pamphlet/booklet titled, "Watchtower." At one time in the early 80's I had a green JW Bible. I know JW's believe Jesus was the first created being and this is probably true but you reject that YHWH wears 3 hats and that Yeshua is one of those hats. According to scripture Yeshua is part of the trinity. Even the NT shows and states Yeshua IS YHWH and YHWH is Yeshua. They are one in the same. Clydeson, I enjoyed reading your post. Born of water and spirit. However having the 2 things occur simultaneously well that is not my experience. First for me was a spiritual re-birth and then later keeping to the charge in the Bible I have been baptised in water. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jun 29, 2010 - 9:45PM #10 | |
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I believe the 'born of water' statement refers to being born of the mother's 'water'...amniotic fluid. However....water baptism is indeed for the believer to declare his/her faith in and allegience to the saving work of Jesus. |
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