- because none of those  writings now caring his name   can be  shown to ever having  been approved / agreed to by the then directly appointed  leader of the  of The Saviors own Faithful simon/ peter.



IF IT WERE NOT  of greatest importance that the then church community that was bound one to and another and all to Our Father YAHWEH to walk in the foot steps of The Savior HIMSELF-


then the  The Savior HIMSELF would not have give charge of that community to any one person  if single hearted one person direction was not critically important for them then to do well there tasked duties and works.


but we all know that  He did indeed give leadership to ONE PERSON and that that ONE PERSON  is known today  by the world wide community called " christains" as simon / peter ( the rock).


because  no one can show now that  ANY of the writings attributed to saul the pharisee from tarsus as ever having been approved by peter the rock they must be disregarded as illicit, unlawful and UNWORTHY to build honest and trustworthy  Christian Church Doctrines / Teachings upon!


SOMEHOW we modern day believers must build our faith upon Our Savior Brothers Direct teachings found in the gosple records-



or


better still as jer 31/ 31-34 tells us will be Our Fathers Medium of Communication with His People from the dawn of The New Covenant on:


 31 "The day is coming," says the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.32 This    covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I    took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They    broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,"    says the LORD.
  33 "But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day," says the LORD.    "I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them  on   their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.34 And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, 'You should know the LORD.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already," says the LORD. "And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins." (Jeremiah 31, NLT, rse).



i look forward to your commentary and rebuttal.



peace and good and tons o'love

>p

thanks for your thoughtful reply h/m-

illicit
il⋅lic⋅it /ɪ'lɪsɪt/

adjective
contrary to accepted morality (especially sexual morality) or convention • an illicit association with his secretary  
contrary to or forbidden by law • illicit trade
syn: illegitimate, outlaw, outlawed, unlawful
ORIGIN: 1611 (implied in illicitous), from French illicite (14c.), from Latin illicitus "not allowed, unlawful, illegal," from in- "not" + licitus "lawful," pp. of licere "to be allowed."

i got a new electronic dicionary and im using  its 2d diffintion noted above.

it matter nothing that some of saul the pharisee writings  " are not in opposition" to The Saviors Teaching- 

it matter all they not one of them were approved by the churches leader and there for they and all the doctrines that came from them need to be discarded by today's church the world over.

they are as valid as me going to a bank for a loan on YOUR HOUSE-

its unlawful on its face and thus very very wrong.

thanks again.

>p

Dec 13, 2011 -- 11:57PM, Hatman wrote:

Peter- First, a quibble: the word "licit" simply means "licensed," therefore "illicit" means "unlicensed"---so afaik, NOTHING in the bible was "licensed" by ANYONE(and another related point: who would have (or dare arrogate to themselves) the right to "license" ANYthing in any sacred writings which are meant for all, in the spirit of "freely have ye received; freely give"?) Second, not ALL of Paul's writings are contrary to the spirit and intent of the words of Christ, therefore immersing oneself in Christ's words THEN comparing and contrasting His words with those of Paul is excellent training in discernment, is it not? Third, if you believe Christ spoke the Truth when He said that we will reap as we have sown, have given unto us as we have given, and have the measure meted to us that we have meted to others, then to blanketly condemn ALL of another's writings simply sets these principles in motion to be applied to YOU---and not in a good way. So if you MUST err, err on the side of generosity and forgiveness of error(while not being taken in by it, and/or warning others that come along) so that when YOUR time comes to be judged, the measure of kindness and forgiveness you have used in judging "others" may be BENEFICIENTLY applied to you---instead of harshly. It may also do you good to re-read the Parable of the Ungrateful Servant(nr. the end of Matthew 18) so as to re-learn the importance of how "others" are to be treated, ESPECIALLY after one has been forgiven. Warmest regards- Hatman

the former high angle of My PaPa YAHWEH - loserfer

the now chief of hells demons and near countless lost former human souls used " holy sounding words" to corrupt us human beings  starting with adam and eve.

i dont think it would have taken  a lot for loserfer to get  the murderous slug saul of tarsus to turn folks- christain folks at that - 

ears and hearts from The TRUTHS Truth and towards his own fathers eligent lies.

ether way - only peter had the authority to set ALL the churches policies-

as per MY Savior Brothers DIRECTIVE.

>p

Dec 14, 2011 -- 2:21AM, Dostojevsky wrote:

"Second, not ALL of Paul's writings are contrary to the spirit and intent of the words of Christ, therefore immersing oneself in Christ's words(by the active practice of them) THEN comparing and contrasting His words with those of Paul(and everyone else) is excellent training in discernment, is it not?"

It might also lead us into bit of humility realizing that perhaps it is our lack of spiritual comprehension that finds Paul's writings not up to (our) standard.

It is Paul who gave us these timeless words:

The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the

Corinthians

13

Love
1	Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2	And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, Mt. 17.20 ; 21.21 · Mk. 11.23 and have not charity, I am nothing.
3	And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4	¶ Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5	doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6	rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7	beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8	¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9	For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10	But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11	When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12	For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13	And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

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look read anything you want-

but its DISLOYALTY not to build your hearts faith from the teachings of Yesh'wa Messiah / HIS APPOINTED Original Church Community Leader simon/peter.

 saul the murderous pharisee  slug / those unknown persons that  wrote teachings under his name are false because they  do not honestly restate His  New Covenant  and the end of YEHWEHS "REMEMBERING OUR SINS NO MORE" AS PER JERM 31/ 31- 34-

and so as such they are false teachings that hurts there followers by deception in body, spirit and mind:

 31 "The day is coming," says the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.32 This    covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I    took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They    broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,"    says the LORD.
  33 "But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day," says the LORD.    "I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them  on   their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.34 And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, 'You should know the LORD.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already," says the LORD. "And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins." (Jeremiah 31, NLT, rse).

you know what- follow whom you like;

Heaven needs you for nothing.

>p

Dec 14, 2011 -- 8:33AM, steve123 wrote:

I'm convinced!  Peter, you have set me straight.  I am now going to disregard all of Paul's words.

Sometimes when reading Paul I find great wisdom and insight but mostly I just get Saul the Pharisee.