Dec 8, 2011 -- 7:46PM, iamachildofhis wrote:

Dec 8, 2011 -- 1:30AM, Namchuck wrote:

dsfin: Reincarnation is resurrection. What you are hoping for is no punishment for your sins. That also means no reward. My life has been great and I look forward to a repeat.

Namchuck: So, you don't understand the difference between reincarnation and resurrection either? Sheesh!

iama:  The Bible never speaks of reincarnation.

Namchuck: I never said that it did.

iama:  I realized, from your response to dsfin, that you understand the difference between reincarnation and resurrection.  My statement "the Bible never speaks of reincarnation," was for dsfin's benefit.  Sorry for my confusing statement.

iama: The Bible speaks of resuscitation and resurrection.

Namchuck: I know people who have been resuscitated, but never anyone who has been resurrected.

iama: And that is the way that it must be, biblically.  There has only EVER been one human being who has been resurrected, Christ Jesus, incarnate God-Son, the God-Man.  The resurrection of other human beings will not take place until the appointed times: Rapture, beginning of the Millennial Reign of Christ Jesus, resurrection of the unbelieving dead at the time of the Great White Throne Judgment.

Biblia.com John 11

iama: During Jesus' 3.5 years of public ministry, He resuscitated dead humans.  Lazarus was dead and his body had been lying in a cave-burial place for 4 days.  Notice that Christ Jesus told the audience outside of Lazarus' tomb, to remove the stone.  Lazarus' physical body was not such, when he was resuscitated, that he could have walked out of the tomb through the rock-door.  Lazarus returned to the physical realm, living.  Lazarus experienced physical dying, later on, for a second time.

Namchuck: Yes, the Lazarus Myth. I'm familiar with it.

iama:  The Bible states, clearly, that historically, in this physical reality, Christ Jesus, resurrected, appeared to His followers over a period of 40 days prior to His ascension, which was, also, witnessed by his followers.

John 20:24

The Apostle Paul gives his testimony re: his conversion to believing that Jesus Christ was / is "the Son of God."

Acts 9:20

iama: But, Christ Jesus' physical death, dying upon a crucifixion cross, resulted not in an eventual, three days later, resuscitation, but in a resurrection.

I'm familiar with that myth, too. In fact, the whole dying and rising god thing is a common Middle Eastern myth.

iama:

Biblica.com John 19

The historical recordings of The New Testament give evidence that the resurrection of Christ Jesus was NOT a myth.

Biblica.com John 20:1

iama: Notice that Christ Jesus' resurrection body left His tomb by moving out of the tomb, even through the rock-door.  The stone-door was removed from Christ Jesus' tomb, in order for His human friends to be able to look into the tomb to see that His body was no longer there. You recall that later, while His disciples were inside of a closed-door-room, Christ Jesus came and went without need of using the doorway.  The resurrection body of Christ Jesus is the same type of resurrection body which His believers will eventually be receiving.  The physical realm's laws do not bind the resurrection body, because it is fitted to exist in the eternal realm.

Biblica.com John 19:19

Biblica.com John 20:19

If you click on the alphabet letter-link, cross references appear, and you can read these references as you run your cursor over the biblical references.

Reincarnation is the belief of some religions that you return to this physical realm post-your-death as some other creature or person.  It is not a biblical reality event.  Resurrection is a reality, biblical event.

Namchuck: There is very little reality dealt with in the Bible.

Resurrection is not a "reality". It's merely a belief, as is reincarnation.

iama:  In order for those to be true, you must discredit the historicity of The Bible. There are too many historical human beings recorded in The Bible, making it impossible for anyone to discount its historical authenticity.  The dates, the events, the humans involved, etc., are historical.

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The historicity of the Bible has been discredited any number of times and by any number of especially gifted scholars.

The Bible is largely myth, but no less valuable because of it.

Dec 10, 2011 -- 9:28AM, dsfin wrote:

Dec 10, 2011 -- 1:57AM, Namchuck wrote:

Dec 8, 2011 -- 9:05PM, dsfin wrote:

IAMACHILDOFHIS

The scripture Exodus 20:5-6 is where reincarnation is implied.

You've been informed before that Exodus 20:5-6 implies no such thing.

Despite this, you continue to dishonestly misread those verses. 

Is honesty no longer a Christian virtue?

Other scripture says the children do not suffer for parents sins.

Yes, but it is no challenge to identify the numerous contradictions to be found in the Bible.

Who do you believe it is refering to?

It doesn't matter who it is referring to. Reincarnation is not a biblical teaching. It takes only one biblical verse to refute it: Job 16:22. There are plenty of others.

 It shows there are no coincidenses in good or bad things that happen.

It shows no such thing. Not only do genuine coincidences happen, many occurrences in life are the result of completely random processes.

If you are trying to convince me that such horrible genetic diseases that result, say, in conjoined infants - many of whom do not survive - is the result of the working out of karma from a previous life, then I can only consider you be credulous beyond bounds.

And you must stop misquoting Exodus 20:5-6 as if it supports your unjustified belief in reincarnation.

Dec 10, 2011 -- 9:50PM, dsfin wrote:

Dec 10, 2011 -- 2:46PM, Namchuck wrote:

Dec 10, 2011 -- 9:28AM, dsfin wrote:

Dec 10, 2011 -- 1:57AM, Namchuck wrote:

Dec 8, 2011 -- 9:05PM, dsfin wrote:

IAMACHILDOFHIS

The scripture Exodus 20:5-6 is where reincarnation is implied.

You've been informed before that Exodus 20:5-6 implies no such thing.

Despite this, you continue to dishonestly misread those verses. 

Is honesty no longer a Christian virtue?

Other scripture says the children do not suffer for parents sins.

Yes, but it is no challenge to identify the numerous contradictions to be found in the Bible.

Who do you believe it is refering to?

It doesn't matter who it is referring to. Reincarnation is not a biblical teaching. It takes only one biblical verse to refute it: Job 16:22. There are plenty of others.

 It shows there are no coincidenses in good or bad things that happen.

It shows no such thing. Not only do genuine coincidences happen, many occurrences in life are the result of completely random processes.

If you are trying to convince me that such horrible genetic diseases that result, say, in conjoined infants - many of whom do not survive - is the result of the working out of karma from a previous life, then I can only consider you be credulous beyond bounds.

And you must stop misquoting Exodus 20:5-6 as if it supports your unjustified belief in reincarnation.

You haven't told me what else it could mean.

It is very obvious what it means. Such verses as Exodus 20:5-6 inform us that the consequences of sin will sometimes continue to effect subsequent generations. 

Job is full of reincarnation scriptures. Some are 1:21 Naked I came from my mothers womb and naked I shall return.

This is another excellent example of you dishonestly rendering scripture. Where is there the slightest indication of reincarnation in this particular verse? All that is being spoken of here is the return to the oblivion out of which we all arise.

Job 14:7-9 as a tree which is cut down but will spout new branches.

Yes, a dead tree may sprout new branches, but this is obviously a reference, in the case of living things, to their offspring.

Job 14:14 My hope is when I die I will have new life again.

This may be an allusion to resurrection, but certainly not to reincarnation.

The Bible is full of reincarnation scripture. Ezekiel 37:4-6 The dry bones will live again. 

Again, this has no necessary connection to the notion of reincarnation which, as I've already pointed out, never came into Jewish thought until much much later.

There is no direct or compelling reference in the Bible to reincarnation, and you have yet to advance one.

On the other hand, you seem to have little problem in ignoring the many scriptures that compelling deny reincarnation. Just take the Book of Job, for instance, where such verses as Job7:9-10; 10:21; and Job 16:22 utterly refute the idea. There are plenty of others, but I guess that you'd simply ignore them, too, huh?