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4 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2011 - 9:57AM #21
teilhard
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Again ... No ...


Seeking UNDERSTANDING isn't about "Apologetics" (neither is it about Mocking and Scoffing, which tend to indicate a LACK of genuine Understanding) ...


The FACT is that The First-Century Greek Testament Documents are CLEARLY "Geschichte" rather than bare-bones Facts-On-A-String "Historie" ... The openly THEOLOGICAL Understandings and Proclamation of The Lord Jesus (The Christ) of Nazareth are intimately interwoven with the HISTORY Facts of His Life and Times ...


This isn't a PROBLEM -- it's a FACT ...


So, "Yes, Virginia ... " in The First-Century Greek Testament Documents it IS Understood that there WAS (and still IS !!!) an Intimate Relationship between "Jesus" and "The Spirit" ...


Whether or not one AGREES with The First-Century Church on that particular Theological Understanding-Proclamation matters not at all in the NECESSARY coming-to-Grips with the Observed FACT that The Early Church DID hold THAT View and that this View DID shape The Texts, and later, The Canon ...


Feb 19, 2011 -- 7:04AM, Dennis wrote:


"Folks"???? Seriously, very few if any care about your apologetics, Teil. 





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4 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 6:52AM #22
Dennis
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The below quote shows no grasp of reality. Teil, you have sought no understanding of anything in your, what, 30000 posts, which say nothing but gives the person who ventures to beliefnet the notion that this is your "occupation." You merely seek to defend the veracity of the Bible, though you are rather inept in your "mission." That is apologetics. And, you aren't even good at apologetics! Even the ancients used sources, gave pertinent examples!


Feb 19, 2011 -- 9:57AM, teilhard wrote:


Again ... No ...


Seeking UNDERSTANDING isn't about "Apologetics" (neither is it about Mocking and Scoffing, which tend to indicate a LACK of genuine Understanding) ...


The FACT is that The First-Century Greek Testament Documents are CLEARLY "Geschichte" rather than bare-bones Facts-On-A-String "Historie" ... The openly THEOLOGICAL Understandings and Proclamation of The Lord Jesus (The Christ) of Nazareth are intimately interwoven with the HISTORY Facts of His Life and Times ...


This isn't a PROBLEM -- it's a FACT ...


So, "Yes, Virginia ... " in The First-Century Greek Testament Documents it IS Understood that there WAS (and still IS !!!) an Intimate Relationship between "Jesus" and "The Spirit" ...


Whether or not one AGREES with The First-Century Church on that particular Theological Understanding-Proclamation matters not at all in the NECESSARY coming-to-Grips with the Observed FACT that The Early Church DID hold THAT View and that this View DID shape The Texts, and later, The Canon ...


Feb 19, 2011 -- 7:04AM, Dennis wrote:


"Folks"???? Seriously, very few if any care about your apologetics, Teil. 









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4 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 11:46AM #23
teilhard
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Huh ... Are you suggesting -- or CLAIMING ... ??? -- that The Early Christians DIDN'T understand that there was -- is -- an Intimate Relationship between "Jesus" and "The Spirit" ... ???


You think "Jesus" and "The Spirit" were ... what ??? ... in Competition ... ??? Alienated ... ???


Since you're making such a Claim / Suggestion ... Can you back that up by References from The First-Century Greek Testament Documents ... ???


Mar 1, 2011 -- 6:52AM, Dennis wrote:


The below quote shows no grasp of reality.


Feb 19, 2011 -- 9:57AM, teilhard wrote:


Again ... No ...


Seeking UNDERSTANDING isn't about "Apologetics" (neither is it about Mocking and Scoffing, which tend to indicate a LACK of genuine Understanding) ...


The FACT is that The First-Century Greek Testament Documents are CLEARLY "Geschichte" rather than bare-bones Facts-On-A-String "Historie" ... The openly THEOLOGICAL Understandings and Proclamation of The Lord Jesus (The Christ) of Nazareth are intimately interwoven with the HISTORY Facts of His Life and Times ...


This isn't a PROBLEM -- it's a FACT ...


So, "Yes, Virginia ... " in The First-Century Greek Testament Documents it IS Understood that there WAS (and still IS !!!) an Intimate Relationship between "Jesus" and "The Spirit" ...


Whether or not one AGREES with The First-Century Church on that particular Theological Understanding-Proclamation matters not at all in the NECESSARY coming-to-Grips with the Observed FACT that The Early Church DID hold THAT View and that this View DID shape The Texts, and later, The Canon ...


Feb 19, 2011 -- 7:04AM, Dennis wrote:


"Folks"???? Seriously, very few if any care about your apologetics, Teil. 













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