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4 years ago  ::  Mar 24, 2010 - 9:56PM #101
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teilhard


Still no facts, I see.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2010 - 10:43AM #102
teilhard
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Mar 24, 2010 -- 9:56PM, Blü wrote:


teilhard


Still no facts, I see.



Brother Blu --


Indeed, you choose not to "see" Facts that don't neatly fit your a priori Atheist-Materialist World--View ...

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2010 - 12:16PM #103
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Apr 13, 2009 -- 9:06PM, teilhard wrote:


Apr 8, 2009 -- 3:36PM, teilhard wrote:


Discussions ( and Study of )


The Historical Lord Jesus of Nazareth


sometimes crash onto the "Rocks"


due to a MIS-Understanding of what we MEAN


by "History" ...


 


from


Joyce Appleby, Lynn Hunt, and Margaret Jacob,


"Telling the Truth about History."


( 1994, W. W. Norton ),


p. 245 --


 


"The language of scholarship ...


makes it sound as if history, not historians, were doing the talking,


the authoritative voice of the all-seeing author lulling readers into believing


that the information comes from a transcendent place.


 


These conventions for presenting historical knowledge, moreover,


create the appearance of a dispassionate approach,


uncontaminated by partiality or interest,


unconstrained by the limitations of a single vantage point."


 


As a beginning SERIOUS Student of Biblical Scholarship,


now several decades ago,


I ALREADY at that Time winced at the "chutzpah"


of the often-solemnly-pronounced Formula


 -- "The Assured Results of Historical-Critical Study ... " ...


 




 


BTW,


Appleby, Hunt, and Jacob ( above )


are "Secular"


Academic Historians ...




for Brother Dennis ...

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2010 - 1:23PM #104
teilhard
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So, then ... Let's discuss what some Real Historians understand about their Craft ...


Why not ... ???


Apr 16, 2010 -- 12:16PM, teilhard wrote:


Apr 13, 2009 -- 9:06PM, teilhard wrote:


 


Apr 8, 2009 -- 3:36PM, teilhard wrote:


 


Discussions ( and Study of )


 


The Historical Lord Jesus of Nazareth


 


sometimes crash onto the "Rocks"


 


due to a MIS-Understanding of what we MEAN


 


by "History" ...


 


 


 


from


 


Joyce Appleby, Lynn Hunt, and Margaret Jacob,


 


"Telling the Truth about History."


 


( 1994, W. W. Norton ),


 


p. 245 --


 


 


 


"The language of scholarship ...


 


makes it sound as if history, not historians, were doing the talking,


 


the authoritative voice of the all-seeing author lulling readers into believing


 


that the information comes from a transcendent place.


 


 


 


These conventions for presenting historical knowledge, moreover,


 


create the appearance of a dispassionate approach,


 


uncontaminated by partiality or interest,


 


unconstrained by the limitations of a single vantage point."


 


 


 


As a beginning SERIOUS Student of Biblical Scholarship,


 


now several decades ago,


 


I ALREADY at that Time winced at the "chutzpah"


 


of the often-solemnly-pronounced Formula


 


 -- "The Assured Results of Historical-Critical Study ... " ...


 


 


 




 


 


 


BTW,


 


Appleby, Hunt, and Jacob ( above )


 


are "Secular"


 


Academic Historians ...


 




 


for Brother Dennis ...





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4 years ago  ::  Jun 15, 2010 - 12:35PM #105
teilhard
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Hello ... ???  "History," anyone ... ???  Hello ... ???


 


Jun 14, 2010 -- 1:23PM, teilhard wrote:


 


So, then ... Let's discuss what some Real Historians understand about their Craft ...


 


Why not ... ???


 


Apr 16, 2010 -- 12:16PM, teilhard wrote:


 


 

Apr 13, 2009 -- 9:06PM, teilhard wrote:


 


Apr 8, 2009 -- 3:36PM, teilhard wrote:


Discussions ( and Study of ) The Historical Lord Jesus of Nazareth sometimes crash onto the "Rocks" due to mis-Understanding of what we MEAN by "History" ...  from Joyce Appleby, Lynn Hunt, and Margaret Jacob, "Telling the Truth about History." ( 1994, W. W. Norton ), p. 245 -- 


"The language of scholarship ... makes it sound as if history, not historians, were doing the talking, the authoritative voice of the all-seeing author lulling readers into believing that the information comes from a transcendent place.


 


These conventions for presenting historical knowledge, moreover, create the appearance of a dispassionate approach, uncontaminated by partiality or interest, unconstrained by the limitations of a single vantage point."


As a beginning SERIOUS Student of Biblical Scholarship,  now several decades ago, I ALREADY at that Time winced at the "chutzpah" of the often-solemnly-pronounced Formula -- "The Assured Results of Historical-Critical Study ... " ...


 


 




BTW, Appleby, Hunt, and Jacob ( above ) are "Secular" Academic Historians ...


 


 



 


for Brother Dennis ...


 








 






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