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7 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 1:46PM #1
thor76
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What does the koran say about treatment of other moslems and non moslems?

What does the koran/hadith say about pagans?

What does it say about jihad?

What are the most common verses from the koran and hadith used by extremists who say the koran and hadith give them the right to war, fight, jihad, murder or whatever?

Also what does the koran say about peace?


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7 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 1:46PM #2
thor76
Posts: 109
What does the koran say about treatment of other moslems and non moslems?

What does the koran/hadith say about pagans?

What does it say about jihad?

What are the most common verses from the koran and hadith used by extremists who say the koran and hadith give them the right to war, fight, jihad, murder or whatever?

Also what does the koran say about peace?


Serious questions, please answer.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 01, 2007 - 3:03AM #3
hajali
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What does the koran say about treatment of other moslems and non moslems?



Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faith.
All the good moralities are ALL there, so the Holy Qur'an is saying all justice and fair about treatment of other Muslims and non Muslims , the teaches are but to progress all human's characteristics toward the perfect approaches. (When man does his utmost no doubt, this (do) is perfect even with shortage result, still perfect done.

The Quran, the last revealed Word of God, is the prime source of every Muslim's faith and practice. It deals with all the subjects which concern us as human beings: wisdom, doctrine, worship, and law, but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time it provides guidelines for a just society, proper human conduct and an equitable economic system.
The Quran says: God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just. (Quran, 60-8 )
It is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.
Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves.
The Patriarch invited him to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, but he preferred to pray outside its gates, saying that if he accepted, later generations of Muslims might use his action as an excuse to turn it into a mosque. Above is the mosque built on the spot where Omar did pray.


Here is an example from the holy Qur'an;
6:104 "Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (to open your eyes): if any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; if any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) to watch over your doings."

41:46 Whoever works righteousness benefits his own soul; whoever works evil, it is against his own soul: nor is thy Lord ever unjust (in the least) to His Servants.
Do you recognize the principle and what is beyond it;

You do good to Moslems non Moslems to your self to all creatures to your family to,.. etc etc you do this you benefits your OWN soul (self).
When you do evil it is against no one but your OWN soul (slef).

Why is that? Because; in the end it will end as;
4:173 But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.
2:272 It is not required of thee (O Messenger., to set them on the right path, but Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth. Whatever of good ye give benefits your own souls, and ye shall only do so seeking the "Face" of Allah. Whatever good ye give, shall be rendered back to you, and ye shall not Be dealt with unjustly.

45:15 If any one does a righteous deed, it ensures to the benefit of his own soul; if he does evil, it works against (his own soul). In the end will ye (all) be brought back to your Lord.

salam
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 28, 2007 - 10:02PM #4
NJLee
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hajali wrote:

What does the koran say about treatment of other moslems and non moslems?

The Quran says: God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just. (Quran, 60-8 )
It is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.
Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves.
The Patriarch invited him to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, but he preferred to pray outside its gates, saying that if he accepted, later generations of Muslims might use his action as an excuse to turn it into a mosque. Above is the mosque built on the spot where Omar did pray.


Here is an example from the holy Qur'an;
6:104 "Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (to open your eyes): if any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; if any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) to watch over your doings."

41:46 Whoever works righteousness benefits his own soul; whoever works evil, it is against his own soul: nor is thy Lord ever unjust (in the least) to His Servants.
Do you recognize the principle and what is beyond it;

You do good to Moslems non Moslems to your self to all creatures to your family to,.. etc etc you do this you benefits your OWN soul (self).
When you do evil it is against no one but your OWN soul (slef).

Why is that? Because; in the end it will end as;
4:173 But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.
2:272 It is not required of thee (O Messenger., to set them on the right path, but Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth. Whatever of good ye give benefits your own souls, and ye shall only do so seeking the "Face" of Allah. Whatever good ye give, shall be rendered back to you, and ye shall not Be dealt with unjustly.

45:15 If any one does a righteous deed, it ensures to the benefit of his own soul; if he does evil, it works against (his own soul). In the end will ye (all) be brought back to your Lord.

salam



Those are lovely words but how do you explain that so many Muslims in this world are fighting other Muslims,  and non-muslims?

There obviously are Mullahs who interpret the words of the Koran to allow them to commit some pretty horrific acts, such as 9/11/01.

My understanding of the Koran is that is is basically a verbal faith and it depends greatly on the person translating it.  Reading it in English is a waste of this layman's time because I quickly came to realize that the words were meaninless without the Arabic understanding.

So anyone trying to quote from a English translation hasn't a chance.  So why are we non-muslims entitled to judge Islam on how Muslims ACT and  the translations that they use to justify their actions in the real world.

Respectfully,

Salaam   

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 1:11PM #5
msdeebro
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[QUOTE=NJLee;101783]Those are lovely words but how do you explain that so many Muslims in this world are fighting other Muslims,  and non-muslims?

There obviously are Mullahs who interpret the words of the Koran to allow them to commit some pretty horrific acts, such as 9/11/01.

My understanding of the Koran is that is is basically a verbal faith and it depends greatly on the person translating it.  Reading it in English is a waste of this layman's time because I quickly came to realize that the words were meaninless without the Arabic understanding.

So anyone trying to quote from a English translation hasn't a chance.  So why are we non-muslims entitled to judge Islam on how Muslims ACT and  the translations that they use to justify their actions in the real world.

Respectfully,

Salaam   [/QUOTE]

Hi NJLee: The Qur'an in itself is the truth from Allah. It contains messages of Prophets old and new. It teaches so much to the believer and chastises when necessary. Islam is based on understanding what ALLAH is say to us. The interpretations are crude and does not convey exactly what the arabic is saying. The words are not so much meaningless, just not accurate. They at least give the reader a tad bit of what is being said. That is what we learn Arabic in order to read and understand the truth of Allah;s messages.

The Mullahs and interpreters are NOT responsible for the actions of 9/11. PEOPLE are responsible for their own actions. I highly dislike what happened on 9/11 whether it was by muslims or non-muslims. But Muslims and the teachings in the Qur'an have nothing to do with they way a person behaves or translates words. Not all Muslims deviate from the correct teachings that is why we have "Tafsir"- correct explanation if Qur'an and Hadith.
English translations only give a glimpse of what relly is being said in arabic. Teaching of Arabic and Tafsir is truly stressed, if one wants to understand the Qur'an.

NO person can judge or have the right to another person, ONLY ALLAH CAN JUDGE!  Each is entitled to his/her opinion, but is that fair to those who are innocent of what the guilty do?

Thanks,
Allah Knows Best
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 18, 2007 - 3:30AM #6
CritiquingChrist
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Look up the word  "dhimmi" and see for yourself how the Quran and Hadith tell Muslims to treat non-muslims. 

It isn't pretty... Sadly enough.  But none of the Abrahamic traditions are very nice to outsiders, thats the nature of exclusive religion.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 19, 2007 - 2:12PM #7
visio
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CritiquingChrist wrote:

Look up the word "dhimmi" and see for yourself how the Quran and Hadith tell Muslims to treat non-muslims.

It isn't pretty... Sadly enough. But none of the Abrahamic traditions are very nice to outsiders, thats the nature of exclusive religion.



  In the Al-Quran who All-Mighty Allah revealed to Pr. Muhammad would punish were non-believers and the hypocrites.  And these people could be among those who were People of the Books and/or among Pr. Muhammad's followers (to include even some of his near relatives).
And to deny the late Pr. Muhammad and His followers knowledge of who were the believers and the unbelievers and the hypocrites in that small cosmopolitan of the days is a denial of one's intellect.

To be honest I don't really know what is this "dhimmi" is all about.  From the little that I am aware of I don't know how practically critical it is to one's life.  If the followers of Muhammad (pbuh) were commanded by the Divine to pay Zakat and Fithrah annually for the welfare of the community what other ways to make others also contribute?  These were what in modern days we call income tax/inland revenue.
If Muslims in America who among themselves, are contributing their annual zakat & fithrah for community welfare works and they are not granted a deduction from their state obligation, aren't they being treated as the modern days Western "Dhimmi".  I don't know much about USA Inland Revenue Law to gauge what extent the US Constitution takes care about its citizens.  Just  to stirr up some thoughts . My vote don't count anyway.


Salaam/Regards
zayn_al_abidin/KL

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 2:34AM #8
msdeebro
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One must remember that during the time o fthe Prophet, the world was much different than now. The laws were different, the treatment of women and slaves were different, dress and , tolerance was different.

Today, many PEOPLE cause sadness and death, bad treatment to people, selfish personal laws, rape, murder, etc. I have been Muslim for over 25 years and I have not once intentionally hurt anyone, or used the Qur'an as a means to hurt or treat others badly. What is written in Qur'an as well as other books is from the Divine Wisdom of our Creator. HE knows what is in the hearts of the non-muslim, muslim, why we go to war, etc.

The Qur'an is filled with allegory and in-depth thought. What appears to be easily understandable, is not. There are things that must be taken into account:

1. Era and times
2. Situation of the times
3. Forgiveness and punishment of the times
4. Readiness for war, marriage, death
5. Treatment of those in your care

There are a lot of reasond the Qur'an mentions situations, so that we can properly seek the guidance of it explanation and truth on the subject at hand. So, what ordinarily looks "cut and dry" usually is not.

EX: right to kill or not

Qur'an: In dealing with murder, the Quran definitely discourages capital punishment (2:179). "The free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female" (2:178). Due to human meanness and injustice, many people cannot even imagine what this Quranic law says. They refuse to accept the clear injunctions that strict equivalence must be observed - if a woman kills a man, or a man kills a woman, or a slave kills a free person, or a free person kills a slave, capital punishment cannot be applied. The Quran prefers that the murderer compensate the victim's family. Killing the murderer does not bring the victim back, nor does the family of the victim benefit from executing the murderer. The compensation, however, must be sufficient to be a deterrent for others. In Islam (Submission), the victim and/or the victim's family are the judges for all crimes; they decide what the punishment shall be under the supervision of a person who knows
the Quran.

The best way to know what Qur'an means is to read it with someone who is learned that can give correct Tafsir( Explanation)
of it.

TIP: Even in the bible, men and women are to be killed (stoned)for committing adultery! Here's more:

[PUNISHMENTS FOR:at least ten offenses punishable by death: all forms of murder, 21:12; (Lev. 24:17; Num. 35:16-21); striking, cursing parents, 21:15,17; (Deut. 19:19-21); kidnapping, 21:16; slaying an unborn child, 21:23; owner of an animal that kills, 21:29; sorcery 22:18; (Lev. 20:27; Deut. 13:1-5); bestiality, 22:19; idolater, 22:20; (Lev. 20:1-5; Deut. 13:6-9; 17:2-7); abducting people for slavery, 21:16; (Deut. 24:7); Sabbath breaking, Ex. 31:14; 35:2; Num. 15:32-36.]

Just a thought!
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 30, 2007 - 12:06AM #9
Al-Hadid
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Say: We believe in God and that which was revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and their descendants, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and surrender ourselves to Him. [Qur'an 2:136]

Let there be no compulsion in religion; Truth stands clearly apart from error. Whoever turns away from evil and has faith in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold which will never give way. And God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. [Qur'an 2:256]

For every one of you (each religious community) have We designated a law and a way of life.
And if God had so willed,
He could surely have made you all one single community:
but He willed it otherwise in order to test you
by means of what He has bestowed on you.
Strive, then, with one another in doing good!
Your goal is God;
and then, He will make you understand
the truth of everything in which you have differed.
[5:48]

Truly, those who have attained to faith in this Word,
as well as those who follow the Jewish faith,
and the Sabians, and the Christians—
all who have faith in God and the Final Day and do righteous deeds—
no fear need they have,
and neither shall they grieve.
[5:69]

O you who have faith! When you go forth in God’s cause
use your discernment and do not—
out of a desire for the fleeting gains of this worldly life—
say to anyone who offers you a greeting: “You are not of the faithful!”
for with God are abundant benefits.
You, too were once in the same condition—
but God has been gracious to you:
so use your discernment: truly, God is well-aware of all that you do.
[4:94]

If anyone slays a single soul—
unless it be in punishment for murder
or for spreading corruption on earth—
it will be as though he had slain all humankind;
whereas, if anyone saves a life,
it will be as though he had saved the lives of all humanity.
[5:32]
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 30, 2007 - 12:06AM #10
Al-Hadid
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Say: We believe in God and that which was revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and their descendants, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and surrender ourselves to Him. [Qur'an 2:136]

Let there be no compulsion in religion; Truth stands clearly apart from error. Whoever turns away from evil and has faith in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold which will never give way. And God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. [Qur'an 2:256]

For every one of you (each religious community) have We designated a law and a way of life.
And if God had so willed,
He could surely have made you all one single community:
but He willed it otherwise in order to test you
by means of what He has bestowed on you.
Strive, then, with one another in doing good!
Your goal is God;
and then, He will make you understand
the truth of everything in which you have differed.
[5:48]

Truly, those who have attained to faith in this Word,
as well as those who follow the Jewish faith,
and the Sabians, and the Christians—
all who have faith in God and the Final Day and do righteous deeds—
no fear need they have,
and neither shall they grieve.
[5:69]

O you who have faith! When you go forth in God’s cause
use your discernment and do not—
out of a desire for the fleeting gains of this worldly life—
say to anyone who offers you a greeting: “You are not of the faithful!”
for with God are abundant benefits.
You, too were once in the same condition—
but God has been gracious to you:
so use your discernment: truly, God is well-aware of all that you do.
[4:94]

If anyone slays a single soul—
unless it be in punishment for murder
or for spreading corruption on earth—
it will be as though he had slain all humankind;
whereas, if anyone saves a life,
it will be as though he had saved the lives of all humanity.
[5:32]
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