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4 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2009 - 2:10PM #1
Erey
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I have found this new show where they detail psychics solving murder crimes.  They interview the police and the victims families and the stories are very remarkable.


All the psychics seem a bit different but often they see or channel the spirits of the deceased to get their information.


 


What do you guys think - am I gullible for being impressed with these shows?  Is there a componet I am not aware of?


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2009 - 12:03AM #2
Lavenderfrog
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Psychics impress me quite often.  I know a lot of them are fakes, but there are a lot that I have seen that really seem to know what they're talking about.  Maybe they are really contacting people from the other side, or maybe they are tapping into some universal energy.  There is a lot of unexplained phenomena out there.  Maybe even the psychics don't really know where they're getting their information.  They are also very good at reading people and understanding things on a different level from the rest of us.  Sure there are fakes out there--many, many of them.  But that doesn't mean they all are!

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2009 - 4:04PM #3
Urukai
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Sep 10, 2009 -- 2:10PM, Erey wrote:


I have found this new show where they detail psychics solving murder crimes.  They interview the police and the victims families and the stories are very remarkable.


All the psychics seem a bit different but often they see or channel the spirits of the deceased to get their information.


 What do you guys think - am I gullible for being impressed with these shows?  Is there a componet I am not aware of?


 




Hello Erey,


Ahh you're not gullible. Like Lavenderfrog said, many are fakes but there are a few that really seem to be able to do what they do and those that can should be encouraged in order to help catch those committing the crimes they do.


As for that missing component I don't know. Maybe these people aren't all talking to the dead or channeling spirits. Some seem simply to be picking up some sort of vibration imprinted onto an item owned by a victim, a perpetrator or even the place where the crime occurred.


I never see this stuff as supernatural anyway only as something that we haven't figured out yet believing that someday we will...


 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2009 - 12:20AM #4
Erey
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Thanks to both of you for your responses.  I have for the past two years been experiencing something of a paradigm shift regarding the supernatural.  And I am embarrased to say that alot of it is TV shows.  When people put their credibility and professionalism on the line and say they have captured some sort of paranormal activity and the footage looks compeling I have to wonder. 


I also can see where it might be more of an emotional energy imprint than an actuall spirit but I don't have any strong thoughts on that. 


 


Just I was raised like most of you to really be dismissive of anything paranormal and to just trust that people who trucked in such things were either weak minded or charlatans.  I was pretty secure in that world view.  Now there is programing that really makes me question that and this has changed many, many things about my larger world view. 


Yes, I do feel like an idiot that TV has changed my world view.  It makes me want to learn/know more but I am afraid of being stupid or tricked.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2009 - 8:19AM #5
karbie
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 I think that as technology has become able to pick up things that only a true psychic could without it, it becomes more believeable to a wider range of people. I was raised in a family with a pretty strong psychic streak on my father's side, so I grew up with the idea that it was just part of life. I'm certainly not as sensitive as either of them were. My grandparents'lives were saved by her psychic abilities. They were going to an ice show; it was a big deal because it wasn't the kind of thing they attended very often...and my sister and I were excited about it. The morning of the big day, Grandma said-"We're not going."  Considering it was too late for refunds, that was a huge deal. She absolutely refused to budge from her position and by late afternoon had a sick headache if she even thought about the show.


 She was right. There was an explosion at the show that night and their seats would have been at ground zero. People were killed and injured; the site itself needed massive repairs before re-opening. I'm not going into huge stories--my father's was often visual. The  comforting thing about all this is knowing that the people I loved are just dead; they aren't gone. I don't fear death. I'm not in a big hurry, but I know that personalities and love go on.


My son recently heard from my other Grandma, who passed away last year a few months after her 100th birthday. I was on my final sinkful of dishes since he had cooked for us. He had come downstairs to get a drink, but before he reached the stairs, he got this thought "Did you see all the things you left in the sink for your Mother?"..and asked me if I wanted him to finish them and I gratefully took him up on it. I thought he had an odd expression but didn't stick around to question my luck. The next day he asked me if that had been Grandma--and it was. I've had her around; I've felt her hand on my shoulder. My niece has seen her.


The real surprise was the day I had looked at her picture on my bedroom mirror and told her I was just going to take a short nap, but I'd get back to picking things up so that I would do her proud. I got pushed on my bed, the bedroom door closed with a whoosh and that has never happened before. It can't be reached from the bed. Then the bedroom light went out and I took a hint. I slept for 2 hours instead of the 1 I had been planning on letting myself have. My son's fiancee was coming to our house for the first time and unfortunately it was and is a pit since I am disabled. She told Mother a few months before she died that she wished that she had spent more times doing things with her children instead of being so strict about keeping up the house instead like my mother did with us. Apparently she was more concerned with my health than my house but it meant a great deal to me when that happened.


I don't think that any psychic can be 100% accurate about the future--too many variables. I do think that they can receive impressions from objects or from the victims of crimes. I've never heard a single psychic investigator who didn't give God credit for the gift instead of themselves. There are just too many areas of the brain we don't know about to disbelieve.


 

"You are letting your opinion be colored by facts again."
'When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
these are both from my father.
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4 years ago  ::  Oct 11, 2009 - 8:39AM #6
Inkywhip
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Erey,


I have one name for you: Allison DuBois


Yes, she actually exists, and is the psychic medium upon whom the show 'medium' is based. She has been vetted in double-blind protocols by 'survival of consciousness' researcher Gary Schwartz, a former Yale and Harvard researcher who, during his time at Yale and Harvard, had several papers published in top-tier peer-reviewed journals, such as Science.


Gary has published a book on his work with Allison, and Allison has published at least one book of her own.


Of course, the show is not based on real phenomena or events...the writers must make it dramatic...still, to have gotten through the level of blind testing that Gary does (mediums 'read' for randomized 'sitters' who are either silent on a phone connection or do the reading for 30 minutes BEFORE the phone connection is established...with results which are both greater than 70%...often greater than 80% accurate...AND specific to the particular sitter (sitters score all readings for all participants...tedious but necessary and effective to cull out 'cold reading')).  Gary's book "The Afterlife Experiments" give greater detail to the genesis of this material including testing of well-known mediums like George Anderson, and John Edward, as well as lesser-known mediums who produced stellar results, including Laurie Campbell and Suzanne Northrop.


The windbrigde institute (www.windbridge.org/) is the present home of this research, and currently has vetted other mediums through the same type of process...not for TV crime shows though. As Allison notes in her book, it takes a particular type of personality to pursue such work (in the same way as it does for anyone who would seek to pursue a career in criminal justice).


 


I hope you find this information helpful


 


Incarnadine


 

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 29, 2009 - 2:48AM #7
Blü
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What do you guys think - am I gullible for being impressed with these shows?  Is there a componet I am not aware of?


It's true that some people sometimes intuitively read some other people remarkably well.


It's not true that we have even a single confirmed case of a psychic solving a crime.  Or doing anything else supernatural (which when you think about it is all that 'paranormal' means).


All TV shows that say otherwise are 'entertainment' - a polite word for 'nonsense for everyone, especially the gullible'.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 29, 2009 - 10:31PM #8
Erey
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Oct 11, 2009 -- 8:39AM, Inkywhip wrote:


Erey,


I have one name for you: Allison DuBois


Yes, she actually exists, and is the psychic medium upon whom the show 'medium' is based. She has been vetted in double-blind protocols by 'survival of consciousness' researcher Gary Schwartz, a former Yale and Harvard researcher who, during his time at Yale and Harvard, had several papers published in top-tier peer-reviewed journals, such as Science.


Gary has published a book on his work with Allison, and Allison has published at least one book of her own.


Of course, the show is not based on real phenomena or events...the writers must make it dramatic...still, to have gotten through the level of blind testing that Gary does (mediums 'read' for randomized 'sitters' who are either silent on a phone connection or do the reading for 30 minutes BEFORE the phone connection is established...with results which are both greater than 70%...often greater than 80% accurate...AND specific to the particular sitter (sitters score all readings for all participants...tedious but necessary and effective to cull out 'cold reading')).  Gary's book "The Afterlife Experiments" give greater detail to the genesis of this material including testing of well-known mediums like George Anderson, and John Edward, as well as lesser-known mediums who produced stellar results, including Laurie Campbell and Suzanne Northrop.


The windbrigde institute (www.windbridge.org/) is the present home of this research, and currently has vetted other mediums through the same type of process...not for TV crime shows though. As Allison notes in her book, it takes a particular type of personality to pursue such work (in the same way as it does for anyone who would seek to pursue a career in criminal justice).


 


I hope you find this information helpful


 


Incarnadine


 




I might read up on her a bit more

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 29, 2009 - 10:42PM #9
Erey
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Oct 29, 2009 -- 2:48AM, Blü wrote:


What do you guys think - am I gullible for being impressed with these shows?  Is there a componet I am not aware of?


It's true that some people sometimes intuitively read some other people remarkably well.


It's not true that we have even a single confirmed case of a psychic solving a crime.  Or doing anything else supernatural (which when you think about it is all that 'paranormal' means).


All TV shows that say otherwise are 'entertainment' - a polite word for 'nonsense for everyone, especially the gullible'.




 


wait,


OK either these law enforcement officials are horrible liers (possible) or THESE ARE CASES of psychics solving crimes.  If all these various law enforcement officials from different cities and countries are lying, putting their reputations and careers on the line for what we can assume is big bucks - or these psychics are critical in solving crimes. 


This is not the obscure stuff the psychics are giving, it is often very specific. Sometimes the psychic even finds the body.


I might be gullible but I simply can't buy into this discount.  Believe me, my whole life I never had much stock in psychics.  And I have learned a thing or two about how they often say very vague things and after the fact attach those things to specific details.  The reason I started this thread is there is I don't know how to be anything but amazed. 


I am not an idiot, I am not a desperate person, I was not born yesterday.  I have seen tricks in action, I believe 90% of the time it is fake.  I just never experienced the 10% myself.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2009 - 10:21AM #10
Urukai
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Science does not say these things are impossible just improbable and right now because there is no understanding of the mechanism by which these things could work many people dismiss them outright saying they can't possibly work...


I don't...I have had experiences that Im sure others would dismiss as being subjective and therefore not worthy of study...


I say keep exploring. Keep asking questions...the world is a lot more complex that we know and just because we don't know now doesn't mean we won't know in the future...


 


Peace

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