| 5 years ago :: Sep 30, 2008 - 12:27PM #11 | |
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Thank you for posting those. I believe those are the same ones that came up in my reading. I could call and ask what kind of deck was used.
I got confuse because I identified certain cards (Death and the Two of Wands, for example) I remembered from the reading with standard Rider/Waite images,but then saw some discrepancies when I looked at other images that did not jive. I think I understand now. Do you have any experience with the Thoth deck? Crowley changed a few trump cards (Justice to Adjustment; Last Judgment to The Aeon, for example) and has Knights instead of Kings and Princesses instead of Pages... The artist, whose name I cannot remember, but it's a woman, also shed the Renaissance clothing which caracterizes many Tarot decks... I really like it. I actually got a complimentary B-Day reading from Tarot.com yesterday. I went home and read up in the Book of Thoth what each card meant and that made the reading about 33 times more intense and valuable. Thanks again. Take care
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 30, 2008 - 5:11PM #12 | |
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The woman's name I think was Frieda or Freeda Harris, I mean the one that worked with Crowley on the Thoth deck...
People either really love that deck or get freaked out by it...Me I've studied Crowley and his mad Tarot work but just can't seem to connect with it. He was actually very brilliant but I'm not sure I'll ever get a handle on his stuff... Anyway Best Wishes and You take care as well... |
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| 5 years ago :: Sep 30, 2008 - 8:12PM #13 | |
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He's the most brilliant and compelling comparative religious authority I've ever encountered, by far. He's like the Grateful Dead.
If you're interested, we could converse about him and his beliefs. A good place to start would probably be "The Law is For All", which explicates the Book of the Law. I started though with the Book of Lies and Liber Aleph. There's more than one way into the woods. Yea, more than one way into the woods
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| 5 years ago :: Oct 01, 2008 - 7:08PM #14 | |
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I don't mind talking about him. I mostly came at Crowley through Lon Milo Duqette, an avid student. He's been my favorite Crowley translator... I'll go brush up on The Law...
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| 5 years ago :: Oct 02, 2008 - 3:34PM #15 | |
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Hmm... what do you mean "translator"? as in explaining Crowley? I guess there's more than one way into the woods...
I'd love to discuss Crowley, though we really shouldn't discuss Liber Legis. You'll see why. take care
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| 5 years ago :: Oct 02, 2008 - 11:27PM #16 | |
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I mean translator as in I really don't understand much of his chanelled works...how about we talk about the man himself and see where that gets us...?
Oh about the woods, they are a nice place to visit but I prefer to be out in the open... Blessings |
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| 5 years ago :: Oct 03, 2008 - 4:23PM #17 | |
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Oh I see what you mean!
Yes reading the Book of the Law without "The Law is For All" is not advised. The latter will open up the former to you in a way I cannot express. Simlarly, the Vision and the Voice, by itself, would be very confusing. There is an edition out there with Commentary that really helps one understand it, much like "The Law is For All" does with the Book of the Law. The Book of Lies can come with Commentary that again totally helps, though I don't think the BOok of Lies is channelled. "777 and Other Quabalistic Writings" helps one to understand the comparative religious nature that underpins his works. There are tables which show corrspondences between various, seemingly isolated traditions and belief systems. The Tree of Life (Sephiroth), which traces a path from Malkuth (10) to Kether (1) is another overarching (like Nuit!) structure upon which his work is braced or framed. He identified how the Trump Tarot cards can be seen as indicating the pathways which connect the various Sephiroth nodes on the Tree of Life. My personal favorite node is number 6, which is Tiphareth, which corresponds to the Beatific Vision... It lies in a line right down the center of the Tree, between Malkuth and Kether. One of the pathways leading "up" the tree (though it's diagonally up and to the Left, is called Gimel, which means Camel. The Tarot Trump which corresponds to this Path is the High Priestess. The corresponding astrological sign is Libra. I'm a LIbra. I had a Tarot reading done by a very talented young woman and she, in the cards, identified my Sun, Moon and Rising Signs! That's the kind of correspondence I feel Crowley was pointing at. He was very well educated and well rounded in that education. He seemed to gravitate to Egyptian traditions as his base. Hadit and Nuit are the main characters, so to speak, in his cosmology, but he understands other religions have other names and symbols for these principles, which underpin human life. take care
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| 5 years ago :: Oct 04, 2008 - 11:25AM #18 | |
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Alright, to anyone who read the above post, read this:
If you read it and were like "Huh?" or "Whatever.", fine. Good. Stop here or read on. If you read it and thought "that's interesting, I'm in learning mode", definitely read on. If you read it and thought "he messed up", I know! Luckily I didn't realize it unitl this morning or else I would have had trouble falling asleep. I love sharing what I (think I) know, but if I pass on some bad intel, then I'm all shook up. I didn't totally screw up though. The Path I alluded to is "Lamed", which corresponds to Justice (Adjustment in Thoth), which corresponds to Libra. "Gimel", the Camel, corresponds to the High Priestess. Both paths lead from Tiphareth, though Lamed goes up and to the left. Gimel shoots up the middle to Kether, across the Abyss. Both however, have many interesting correspondences, which you may or may not know about. I won't get into them here. I believe in the Vision and the Voice, the correspondences are really elucidated. I discovered my error and verified the correspondences this morning looking through 777 and another book of Crowleys, which is incredible, but I won't get into here, It's a bit fortunate that I made that mistake, because I delved into 777 in a way I hadn't yet, so I"ve learned because of my mistake. If anyone is interested in the correspondences between Adjustment and the High Priestess and their corresponding Key and Path numbers let me know. As for that brilliant young woman who did an open reading for me, she wasn't exactly trying to nail my Sun, Moon and Rising Signs, and I still think she did, actually! But to explain it here is getting wayyyy off topic. I hope nobody was led too far astray or confused by my mistake. I should be quiet more often. I'm still learning and the last thing I need is to read some bad info, so I apologize if anyone read the above post with any interest or with their Learning Cap on. Please reread this post and/or contact me and I'll share with you the startling correspondences between Lamed and Gimel; a correspondence I had integrated and which led me to confound them. Take care!
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| 5 years ago :: Oct 07, 2008 - 10:24PM #19 | |
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EyesoftheWorld,
Sorry, sorry it has taken so long to reply...and tonight I have only a very few minutes but I didn't want you to think I wasn't going to reply... Ahhh lets see Crowley, very well educated, completed ticked off by his parents parochialism. His intense interest in Magick led him to places his parents thought completely out of bounds...and yes Egyptian and Hebrew forms grabbed his interest on a large scale. I don't think he wanted to be contained by any of the forms he came across which is why he ventured into so many things that many people find taboo even today... For all his brilliance he was extremely arrogant and derogatory when he came up against a barrier or he was just feeling moody... Women pissed him more than not. Forbidding him anything, denying him anything brought wrath. Israel Regardie worked with him for years and still lost his friendship after a snip. I did admire Crowley's ability to commit to a thing though and all else be dammed. SIx months prep for a ritual would kick my butt... Dang the clock is running down tonight gotta go... Take care for now... |
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| 5 years ago :: Oct 08, 2008 - 12:34PM #20 | |
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Ah, my Friend, I see you know a bit about "The Beast". (a term misinterpreted by many! his Mother used to use that term to label a misbehaving boy and his hardcore Biblically informed upbringing apprised him of the overtones of the word.)
It goes to show nobody's perfect. He at times pokes fun at himself in his works and must have been aware that some of the things he condemns he either already was or would eventually become, such as a drug addict. He very well may have had a kind of self-loathing going on which is a condition fostered I feel by Abrahamic religions. However, he has much to offer and I'm grateful for his work. If one were to discount the work of anyone whose life they did not 100% approve of I don't think there'd be much to work with. Though I do understand that his relationship dynamics with women could be a bigger issue for you than it is for me. I do disagree with a good deal of things he's written, and I've read a lot of his work by now, but there's just way too much "good stuff" that the things I disagree with (like the idea that women have no souls!) pale in comparison to those things I do agree with. I don't have to feel someone has to be absolutely correct in order for me to find value in their work and/or points of view. I agree with one of his what I consider to be "Big Ideas", which is to not ever be a slave to any one point of view; the more angles of perspective you can have in relation to anything helps you understand that thing better than if you are tied/superglued to just one conception of it... Have you ever heard the term "parallax"? Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. I'm looking forward to discussing more when you have a bit more time. If you want to start a messaging discussion I think that would be just fine too!
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