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3 months ago  ::  Apr 07, 2013 - 12:15PM #671
Neomonist
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Apr 7, 2013 -- 1:35AM, Namchuck wrote:


Apr 7, 2013 -- 12:54AM, Neomonist wrote:


Apr 6, 2013 -- 11:38PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Science has proven its superiority as a means of knowing by virtue of its undeniable success in revealing more about the world and the nature of Nature than all of the unjustified ramblings of religion combined. This is the question I asked Neomonist and that he could not answer.




What I’m attempting to say is that we shouldn't rely totally on one or the other. That may not be what you would call an answer, but it is an answer nonetheless.


 


It's not much of an answer, Neomonist, and I know which one most of us will "rely" on when it comes to our own or the health of our children. And given that the other is only inmaginative part of the mind and nowhere else, I wouldn't rely on it at all.




In that particular aspect of life, I do trust science over religion. That isn't the totality of life however.


 

Standard Disclaimer: This is just my 2cents worth.
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3 months ago  ::  Apr 07, 2013 - 5:00PM #672
Namchuck
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Apr 7, 2013 -- 12:15PM, Neomonist wrote:



In that particular aspect of life, I do trust science over religion. That isn't the totality of life however.


Of course science it is not the "totality of life", Neomonist. Science is suitably covered under the heading of the 'pursuit of knowledge', and here it has proven itself to be unrivalled.


Included in the "totality of life" would be family, personal relationships, individual liberty, the pursuit of pleasures that do not harm others, the satisfactions of art, a sense of belonging to the human community, and a life directed by knowledge and reflection.


In other words, the considered life - free, creative, informed and chosen, a life of achievement and fulfilment, of pleasure and understanding, of love and friendship; in short, the best human life in a human world, humanely lived.

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3 months ago  ::  Apr 08, 2013 - 2:28PM #673
teilhard
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Yes ...


The Natural Sciences are a VERY good Way of getting Information about How The Universe Works ...


"Science" is about discovering ordinary mundane Things -- The Chemistry of The Gas Giant Planets' Atmospheres, How Termites Digest Cellulose, The Velocity of Light in a Vacuum, etc. ...


I LOVE The Natural Sciences ...


But "Science" isn't about EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING ...



Apr 7, 2013 -- 12:15PM, Neomonist wrote:


 



In that particular aspect of life, I do trust science over religion. That isn't the totality of life however.


 





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3 months ago  ::  Apr 09, 2013 - 3:15AM #674
Namchuck
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Apr 8, 2013 -- 2:28PM, teilhard wrote:


Yes ...


The Natural Sciences are a VERY good Way of getting Information about How The Universe Works ...


It is the only way of getting information about how the universe works that has been successful, and mightily successful at that. Not only does it work, it is seen to work.


"Science" is about discovering ordinary mundane Things -- The Chemistry of The Gas Giant Planets' Atmospheres, How Termites Digest Cellulose, The Velocity of Light in a Vacuum, etc. ...


I LOVE The Natural Sciences ...




But "Science" isn't about EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING ...


It is mostly about everything. No one has yet been able to identify anything real that it can't be about.


It can't be about, for instance, fictions, but fictions aren't real. A fairy tale hardly ever refute's itself. Neither hippogriff nor centaur is bound by the laws governing mammals. A wildebeest or a horse; yes; an animal from the mythological beastiary, no. And God too - listed somewhere between "Gnome" and "Golem" - is of that mythological beastiary, like the thousands of other creatures enumerated in dictionaries with infinite entries. 'Yahweh', for example, doesn't appear until page 445 of my 'Dictionary of the Gods'.

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2 months ago  ::  Apr 14, 2013 - 5:04PM #675
williejhonlo
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Apr 8, 2013 -- 2:28PM, teilhard wrote:


Yes ...


The Natural Sciences are a VERY good Way of getting Information about How The Universe Works ...


"Science" is about discovering ordinary mundane Things -- The Chemistry of The Gas Giant Planets' Atmospheres, How Termites Digest Cellulose, The Velocity of Light in a Vacuum, etc. ...


I LOVE The Natural Sciences ...


But "Science" isn't about EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING ...



Apr 7, 2013 -- 12:15PM, Neomonist wrote:


 



In that particular aspect of life, I do trust science over religion. That isn't the totality of life however.


 







Yes, you could say science is about that, the study of objects, and that religion is about the inner life.

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2 months ago  ::  Apr 14, 2013 - 11:34PM #676
teilhard
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Nicely put ... I agree ...



Apr 14, 2013 -- 5:04PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Apr 8, 2013 -- 2:28PM, teilhard wrote:


Yes ...


The Natural Sciences are a VERY good Way of getting Information about How The Universe Works ...


"Science" is about discovering ordinary mundane Things -- The Chemistry of The Gas Giant Planets' Atmospheres, How Termites Digest Cellulose, The Velocity of Light in a Vacuum, etc. ...


I LOVE The Natural Sciences ...


But "Science" isn't about EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING ...



Apr 7, 2013 -- 12:15PM, Neomonist wrote:


 



In that particular aspect of life, I do trust science over religion. That isn't the totality of life however.


 







Yes, you could say science is about that, the study of objects, and that religion is about the inner life.





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2 months ago  ::  Apr 15, 2013 - 7:01PM #677
Namchuck
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Apr 14, 2013 -- 5:04PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Yes, you could say science is about that, the study of objects, and that religion is about the inner life.


One could say that but it wouldn't be true.


The paradigm of meritocratic rational enquiry, of which science is a part, is as much about the "inner life" as anything else, only that it has proven to be more accurately so.



 

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