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3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 3:19AM #31
Namchuck
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 1:36PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Another interesting book on the brain is The mind & The Brain by Jeffrey Schwartz. His work with people who suffer from OCD ( obsessive compulsion disorder ) showed that some of his patients were able to rewire their brains by use of exerting mental force.


Another book, Science and the Near-Death Experience by Chris Carter is interesting also.




Yes, using the brain to re-wire the brain is essentially what brain plasticity amounts to.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 2:55PM #32
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Schwartz attributes will power as mental force. He believes in a duality between mind and brain.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:35PM #33
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 2:55PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Schwartz attributes will power as mental force. He believes in a duality between mind and brain.





Dualism is a logical pardox raher than an existential reality.


Nature is the substance; mind, the function. The function never separates from substance, nor the substance from the function. Function and substance, though separate, are causally connected. Nature governs the mind, and the mind is nature’s function; they mesh. Although both retain their own character, they are inseparable.


The Heart Sutra

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 4:02AM #34
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 2:55PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Schwartz attributes will power as mental force. He believes in a duality between mind and brain.




Then he is mistaken.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:41AM #35
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 10:35PM, Neomonist wrote:


Apr 12, 2012 -- 2:55PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Schwartz attributes will power as mental force. He believes in a duality between mind and brain.





Dualism is a logical pardox raher than an existential reality.


Nature is the substance; mind, the function. The function never separates from substance, nor the substance from the function. Function and substance, though separate, are causally connected. Nature governs the mind, and the mind is nature’s function; they mesh. Although both retain their own character, they are inseparable.


The Heart Sutra



Yes, they are one and different at the same time. Mind is something more subtle while the gross elements are something more gross.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 4:50PM #36
Namchuck
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:41AM, williejhonlo wrote:


Apr 12, 2012 -- 10:35PM, Neomonist wrote:


Apr 12, 2012 -- 2:55PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Schwartz attributes will power as mental force. He believes in a duality between mind and brain.





Dualism is a logical pardox raher than an existential reality.


Nature is the substance; mind, the function. The function never separates from substance, nor the substance from the function. Function and substance, though separate, are causally connected. Nature governs the mind, and the mind is nature’s function; they mesh. Although both retain their own character, they are inseparable.


The Heart Sutra



Yes, they are one and different at the same time. Mind is something more subtle while the gross elements are something more groos.




Subtle it may be, but all the evidence points to the mind being a product of the brain. There is no evidence pointing in the other direction.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 2:51AM #37
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It's relative to what you accept as evidence.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 6:09PM #38
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 2:51AM, williejhonlo wrote:


It's relative to what you accept as evidence.




It's not a matter of choosing the evidence, but letting the evidence speak for itself.


And all the compelling evidence points to the mind being a product of the brain.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 11:03PM #39
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Evidence doesn't speak for itself, imho we depend on perception for our understanding of reality.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 2:38AM #40
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:03PM, williejhonlo wrote:


Evidence doesn't speak for itself, imho we depend on perception for our understanding of reality.




But even then the weight of certain evidence is overwhelming, like the fact that the brain produces mind. As I said, there is no evidence to the contrary.

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