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Switch to Forum Live View America Is Changing Its Mind on Israel: How Netanyahu Is Alienating His Most Essential Ally
2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 10:05AM #1
Druac
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The current violence in Israel-Palestine—immediately following the debate about the Iran arms deal, which revealed growing fissures in American support of Israel–has brought the conflict into the foreground of U.S. political discourse. The absence of any serious mention of Israel-Palestine during the first Democratic presidential debate thus speaks volumes. It tells us that even as polls show more and more of the Democratic base shifting its support away from Israel, the leading candidates for the Democratic nomination are reluctant to talk about Israel. It will be interesting to see if they shift their stances at all in the next few months, given the stakes that are emerging. Recent polls have shown that Latinos, a critical constituency, are lending their sympathy to the Palestinians. They join the young, progressives, Blacks, and Asian Americans. This is not only the perception of supporters of Palestinian rights, this point of view is shared by advocates of Israel as well.


Everything seems in play, and that calls for our attention. Here’s what is unfolding on the American political scene:


To begin with, let’s look at the reactions of the U.S. State Department regarding the escalation of violence in Israel-Palestine. On October 13, Secretary of State John Kerry declared “What’s happening is that, unless we get going, a two-state solution could conceivably be stolen from everybody… And there’s been a massive increase in settlements over the course of the last years, and now you have this violence because there’s a frustration that is growing.”


Upon being accused of laying the blame for the violence on the building of settlements, the State Department rushed to back off from the October 13 statement:



“State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters that Kerry had not been ‘trying to affix… blame for the recent violence’ during a Tuesday evening address at Harvard University, when the secretary told his audience that ‘there’s been a massive increase in settlements over the course of the last years and there’s an increase in the violence because there’s this frustration that’s growing.’ The two ideas, Kirby suggested, were not meant to be interpreted causally.”



Right. It’s hard to believe anyone bought that spin. What this flip-flop indicates is precisely the fluid state of our political discourse on Israel-Palestine.




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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 10:13AM #2
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Netanyahu is not the cause. The move to the far-left ideology of the current administration, in conjunction with the far-left media and academia, is. 


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 11:33AM #3
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 12:00PM #4
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It's not just some "liberals".

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 1:33PM #5
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Oct 28, 2015 -- 12:00PM, vra wrote:



It's not just some "liberals".




Fair enough. But Liberals - those to the extreme Left, at least - pretend to have the moral high ground. 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 1:37PM #6
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Oct 28, 2015 -- 1:33PM, JRoadrunner wrote:


Oct 28, 2015 -- 12:00PM, vra wrote:



It's not just some "liberals".




Fair enough. But Liberals - those to the extreme Left, at least - pretend to have the moral high ground. 




LOL!  And Conservatives do the same.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 2:51PM #7
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Oct 28, 2015 -- 1:33PM, JRoadrunner wrote:


Oct 28, 2015 -- 12:00PM, vra wrote:


It's not just some "liberals".




Fair enough. But Liberals - those to the extreme Left, at least - pretend to have the moral high ground. 




Conservatives - those to the extreme religious right - believe they are being more Godly by supporting Bibi Netanyahu and the Israeli far right, at the cost of any moral high ground at all, ignoring what a lying, race-baiting, adulterous, corrupt pandering liar Bibi is.


Recently Bibi went so far as to absolve the Nazis of some of the guilt for the holocaust, stating that the whole unfortunate business would never have happened if it had not been for the influence of the grand Mufti. Poor misunderstood Hitler was only going to deport the Jews, according to Bibi, but the Mufti told Hitler to exterminate them instead.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 2:59PM #8
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Obama has done a great job alienating our other friends in the Middle East- Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq.  Why should Israel be any different?


This has nothing at all with morality.  Rather it is due to the breathtaking naivety of our commander in chief.  "Reset button" anybody?

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 3:10PM #9
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Oct 28, 2015 -- 2:59PM, BeerLover wrote:


Obama has done a great job alienating our other friends in the Middle East- Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq.  Why should Israel be any different?


This has nothing at all with morality.  Rather it is due to the breathtaking naivety of our commander in chief.  "Reset button" anybody?




How has Obama "alienated" Iraq, just to use one example?


What has Obama done to annoy Saudi Arabia lately?


Should the stance on the al Sisi government be different than it is now? What form should it take?

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 5:56PM #10
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Oct 28, 2015 -- 2:59PM, BeerLover wrote:

Obama has done a great job alienating our other friends in the Middle East- Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq.  Why should Israel be any different?


 Our President has not alienated anyone in the group you mentioned. And, really, do you actually believe Saudi Arabia, or Israel, are our friends? "Paid friends"would be a more appropriate term.


This has nothing at all with morality.  Rather it is due to the breathtaking naivety of our commander in chief.  "Reset button" anybody?


All I see is the naivety of your beliefs.

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