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2 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2015 - 11:47PM #1
solfeggio
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This is an Op-Ed piece from RT:


www.rt.com/op-edge/318986-america-bomb-s...


The author, writer Sam Gerrarns, says that America is in decline and can be compared to a bomb waiting to go off.


He starts out by saying that food logistics are dangerously extended, and that the vast majority of Americans do not have the means to feed themselves should supply lines break for some reason.


Then, he goes on to point out America's present weak economic system, based 'on pro-active war.'  America is a fiat economy, whose money is legal tender that is not baced by a physical commodity.  And, as Gerrans points out: 'Fiat economies always collapse.'


He also talks about mind-altering drugs, and about the decline of morals.  He claims that American society today is 'undisciplined, unrealistic, and selfish.' 


He closes by saying that he thinks 'that all the ingredients are there for complete breakdown...given the right initiating incident.'


Fortune magazine also published an article talking about America in decline:


fortune.com/2015/07/20/united-states-dec...


That piece talks about child poverty, median adult wealth, life satisfaction, health, and education in America as measured against other countries.


They back up their claims with impressive figures to show that America is no longer the world's foremost economic powerhouse.  As well, America's diplomacy has been compromised by dysfunction and partisanship in Washington.


Is this decline an inevitable process, or was it pushed along by self-interested elites?


Did the decline start with the long wars?  Did the detention centre at Guantanamo undermine American ideals?


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 1:06AM #2
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Oct 19, 2015 -- 11:47PM, solfeggio wrote:

This is an Op-Ed piece.....


Which makes it a worthless opinion piece. From what I read it was just a bunch of grandiose nonsense.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 2:50AM #3
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Oct 19, 2015 -- 11:47PM, solfeggio wrote:


This is an Op-Ed piece from RT:


www.rt.com/op-edge/318986-america-bomb-s...


The author, writer Sam Gerrarns, says that America is in decline and can be compared to a bomb waiting to go off.


He starts out by saying that food logistics are dangerously extended, and that the vast majority of Americans do not have the means to feed themselves should supply lines break for some reason.


Then, he goes on to point out America's present weak economic system, based 'on pro-active war.'  America is a fiat economy, whose money is legal tender that is not baced by a physical commodity.  And, as Gerrans points out: 'Fiat economies always collapse.'


He also talks about mind-altering drugs, and about the decline of morals.  He claims that American society today is 'undisciplined, unrealistic, and selfish.' 


He closes by saying that he thinks 'that all the ingredients are there for complete breakdown...given the right initiating incident.'


Fortune magazine also published an article talking about America in decline:


fortune.com/2015/07/20/united-states-dec...


That piece talks about child poverty, median adult wealth, life satisfaction, health, and education in America as measured against other countries.


They back up their claims with impressive figures to show that America is no longer the world's foremost economic powerhouse.  As well, America's diplomacy has been compromised by dysfunction and partisanship in Washington.


Is this kdecline an inevitable process, or was it pushed along by self-interested elites?


Did the decline start with the long wars?  Did the detention centre at Guantanamo undermine American ideals?






Decline is an inevitable process.  Civilizations get worn oout.


But the accelerants in this case wre abortion and homosexuality, both indications of hedonism and the breakdown of morals.


Europe, too, suffers from a similar malaise.


The Europeans are so decadent, they can't be bothered to reproduce themselves.  Interestingly, Russia is the only country trying to stave off economic collapse and with some indication of success.


But as Adam Smith once said, there is a lot of ruin in a nation, and the situation could be turned around.  I think the European migrant crisis might be the stimulus for Europeans to wake up from their narcissistic, atheistic, narcotized sleep and reasset themselves.  Which change would be inevitably reflected here.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 8:12AM #4
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Oct 19, 2015 -- 11:47PM, solfeggio wrote:


This is an Op-Ed piece from RT:


www.rt.com/op-edge/318986-america-bomb-s...


The author, writer Sam Gerrarns, says that America is in decline and can be compared to a bomb waiting to go off.


He starts out by saying that food logistics are dangerously extended, and that the vast majority of Americans do not have the means to feed themselves should supply lines break for some reason.


Then, he goes on to point out America's present weak economic system, based 'on pro-active war.'  America is a fiat economy, whose money is legal tender that is not baced by a physical commodity.  And, as Gerrans points out: 'Fiat economies always collapse.'


He also talks about mind-altering drugs, and about the decline of morals.  He claims that American society today is 'undisciplined, unrealistic, and selfish.' 


He closes by saying that he thinks 'that all the ingredients are there for complete breakdown...given the right initiating incident.'


Fortune magazine also published an article talking about America in decline:


fortune.com/2015/07/20/united-states-dec...


That piece talks about child poverty, median adult wealth, life satisfaction, health, and education in America as measured against other countries.


They back up their claims with impressive figures to show that America is no longer the world's foremost economic powerhouse.  As well, America's diplomacy has been compromised by dysfunction and partisanship in Washington.


Is this decline an inevitable process, or was it pushed along by self-interested elites?


Did the decline start with the long wars?  Did the detention centre at Guantanamo undermine American ideals?


No, the decline did not start with the long wars. It's been in the works for many decades, and you should be an honest leftist and admit that the Left has played just as much a role in it as the Right.


Anyway, America will emerge from its problems just fine.



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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 10:02AM #5
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Oct 20, 2015 -- 2:50AM, SeraphimR wrote:

But the accelerants in this case wre abortion and homosexuality, both indications of hedonism and the breakdown of morals.


Very odd.


EVERY homosexual that I have ever known has WAAAAAAY better morals than the bigoted idiots who say things like that posted above.


In my opinion, if the United States were MORE like the LGBT community than it is like the fundagelic extremeists who wish them harm, the United States would be a much better place.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 10:05AM #6
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Oct 20, 2015 -- 8:12AM, MMarcoe wrote:


Oct 19, 2015 -- 11:47PM, solfeggio wrote:


This is an Op-Ed piece from RT:


www.rt.com/op-edge/318986-america-bomb-s...


The author, writer Sam Gerrarns, says that America is in decline and can be compared to a bomb waiting to go off.


He starts out by saying that food logistics are dangerously extended, and that the vast majority of Americans do not have the means to feed themselves should supply lines break for some reason.


Then, he goes on to point out America's present weak economic system, based 'on pro-active war.'  America is a fiat economy, whose money is legal tender that is not baced by a physical commodity.  And, as Gerrans points out: 'Fiat economies always collapse.'


He also talks about mind-altering drugs, and about the decline of morals.  He claims that American society today is 'undisciplined, unrealistic, and selfish.' 


He closes by saying that he thinks 'that all the ingredients are there for complete breakdown...given the right initiating incident.'


Fortune magazine also published an article talking about America in decline:


fortune.com/2015/07/20/united-states-dec...


That piece talks about child poverty, median adult wealth, life satisfaction, health, and education in America as measured against other countries.


They back up their claims with impressive figures to show that America is no longer the world's foremost economic powerhouse.  As well, America's diplomacy has been compromised by dysfunction and partisanship in Washington.


Is this decline an inevitable process, or was it pushed along by self-interested elites?


Did the decline start with the long wars?  Did the detention centre at Guantanamo undermine American ideals?



No, the decline did not start with the long wars. It's been in the works for many decades, and you should be an honest leftist and admit that the Left has played just as much a role in it as the Right.


Anyway, America will emerge from its problems just fine.



It's pretty much everyone to the left of you.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 10:14AM #7
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Greed is and will be the biggest factor in our decline as a civilizaton...and the left nor the right have a corner on that market...we are all at fault. Neither wants to face reality...instead, we just keep blaming each other...as you can see from some of the posts here.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 10:23AM #8
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Oct 20, 2015 -- 1:06AM, mountain_man wrote:

Oct 19, 2015 -- 11:47PM, solfeggio wrote:

This is an Op-Ed piece.....


Which makes it a worthless opinion piece. From what I read it was just a bunch of grandiose nonsense.



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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 10:25AM #9
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Oct 20, 2015 -- 2:50AM, SeraphimR wrote:


Interestingly, Russia is the only country trying to stave off economic collapse and with some indication of success.




This is one of the most puzzling statements I have ever seen on this board. I am sure there is some kind of explanation.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 10:30AM #10
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Russia is a petro state.  How is it a model?
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