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2 years ago  ::  Oct 12, 2015 - 12:51PM #151
vra
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Oct 11, 2015 -- 10:29PM, JRoadrunner wrote:


Oct 11, 2015 -- 6:50PM, vra wrote:


There are a lot of men and women who have "been on the ground", such as Colin Powell, who, along with some others, disagreed with Panetta.  You can believe in whatever you want to believe about Panetta, but all of us, including Panetta, have our limitations.


 So, instead of making comments, why don't you first ask and then maybe do some homework to see what some others say unstead of just making a saint out of those you agree with that you think we should blindly follow.  I have no doubt that if Panetta said that we should have just gotten out, your tune about him would be very different, so your highly partisan comments are noted.  And your appeal to authority is entirely hypocritical because you bad-mouth any other authority figures whom you disagree with.  



Colin Powell, who supported the decision to go to war in Iraq, was not in charge in 2011. In fact, he had been out the military as chief of staff since 1993. No one had more knowledge of the situation "on the ground" than Panetta. And you can call my comments partisan, if tha tmakes you feel good, but you can't call his partisan: he's a democrat hand-picked by Obama. 


Oh, but I forgot. Panetta was only a former CIA head and leading defense expert. He was not an anthropologist like you, and as we know no one is better equipped to evaluation military situations than an anthropologist.  




And exactly what are your credentials to actually know what the best choice would be?  Also, if you had done your homework, you would know that Powell was very angry when he gave the U.N. speech because he was spoon-fed misinformation that Cheney, Tenent, and Rumsfeld fed him.  Not only was Powell angry with them but also Bush won't even give Cheney the time of day, and their misleading of Bush as far as the intelligence is concerned has been undoubtedly a factor.


Again, you can try to make fun of my profession and/or my background all you want, but it only goes to show to which lengths you'll go to try and "win".  Apparantly you believe the end justifies the means.


But let me ask you these questions:


How many more tours of duties do you believe we can expect our soldiers to perform, which apparently goes beyond five or six because quite a few have already done that many?


How many of our soldiers coming back in body bags or severely injured before you decide that maybe enough is enough?


How many more Iraqis are you willing to see killed, maimed, and/or displaced before you're willing to say enough is enough?


What value do you really put on human life versus some strategic military move that not only may not work but would have undoubtedly ramped up problems for a great many Americans and Iraqis?


And finally, when will you really learn that trying to dominate a country, which had actually asked us to leave and also that wouldn't guarantee the Americans there would be tried in our own courts instead of theirs, rarely ever works?  


Maybe you should do some serious soul-searching. 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2015 - 1:23PM #152
JRoadrunner
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This foreign policy failure is not surprising. It's the perfectly logical result of a person conducting the business of the country according to politics and not common sesne. 


U.S. to deploy special forces to Syria in about-turn for Obama


www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/30/us-mi...


U.S. President Barack Obama plans to deploy dozens of special operations forces to northern Syria to advise opposition forces in their fight against Islamic State, a major shift and a step he has long resisted to avoid getting dragged into another war in the Middle East.


The number of special operations troops in Syria would be fewer than 50, said a senior administration official, speaking ahead of an announcement on Friday by the administration. One U.S. official said the number was likely to be in the range of 20 to 30 but could not provide details.


The decision by Obama, deeply averse to committing troops to unpopular wars in the Middle East, would mark the first sustained U.S. troop presence in Syria and raise the risk of American casualties, although U.S. officials stressed the forces were not meant to engage in front-line combat.



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