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Switch to Forum Live View Americans Overwhelmingly Oppose Obama's Iran Deal
2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2015 - 5:13PM #71
JRoadrunner
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Oct 18, 2015 -- 3:45PM, vra wrote:


Oct 18, 2015 -- 10:34AM, JRoadrunner wrote:



The Obama deal may end up as the biggest diplomatic scam in recent history.




It would have a long way to go to even get remotely close to the lies and distortions that led to the decision to get us into Iraq, which cost us more American lives than 9-11, killed or diplaced 1/3 of the population of a country that did not atttack us, weakened Iraq so as to lead to fragmenting the country thus opening the door for the emergence of ISIS, and then cost us well over a trillion dollars.  If one can't even admit the obvious on this, then what is the chance they should be taken seriously on the Iranian agreement issue?  




Is it conceivable in the liberal universe that Pope Obama could make a mistake that does not somehow come back to blame George Bush?




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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2015 - 7:30PM #72
vra
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Oct 18, 2015 -- 5:13PM, JRoadrunner wrote:


Oct 18, 2015 -- 3:45PM, vra wrote:


Oct 18, 2015 -- 10:34AM, JRoadrunner wrote:



The Obama deal may end up as the biggest diplomatic scam in recent history.




It would have a long way to go to even get remotely close to the lies and distortions that led to the decision to get us into Iraq, which cost us more American lives than 9-11, killed or diplaced 1/3 of the population of a country that did not atttack us, weakened Iraq so as to lead to fragmenting the country thus opening the door for the emergence of ISIS, and then cost us well over a trillion dollars.  If one can't even admit the obvious on this, then what is the chance they should be taken seriously on the Iranian agreement issue?  




Is it conceivable in the liberal universe that Pope Obama could make a mistake that does not somehow come back to blame George Bush?




It was you who decided to compare Obama to previous presidents, but when I did just that, you whine.  Any cheese with that?      


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2015 - 5:41PM #73
JRoadrunner
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Dennis Ross: Critics were right about Obama, Iran and Israel


www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/...


Dennis Ross, former senior adviser to President Obama, arguably should have come out strongly against the Iran deal — and advised Hillary Clinton (he served in her husband’s administration) that the administration was not leveling with the American people. His interview with the Times of Israel is revealing.


Remember that the president says the deal blocks Iran’s pathway to the bomb. No, says Ross: “One of my main concerns is what happens after year 15, when they basically can have as large a program as they want, and the gap between threshold status and weapon status becomes very small.” Well, at least the deal staved off trouble for the time being. Er, not exactly: “The more you make it clear that for any misbehavior they pay a price, and it’s the kind of price that matters to them, the more likely they are to realize the firewall is real, and the less likely they are to ever test it.” But the deal does not do that; to the contrary, it prevents graduated sanctions since imposition of any sanctions frees Iran from the deal. Sure, but Iran’s behavior in the meantime shows that it won’t exploit the deal and pursue its own religious zealotry. Not at all: “We’re already seeing them ratchet it up in Syria. Everyone is focusing on what the Russians are doing, but Iran is adding significant numbers of Revolutionary Guard forces to the ground, it’s not just Hezbollah forces. I think this is a harbinger of things to come.”


Too bad then that Ross did not unequivocally oppose the deal and urge Democrats to do the same. Now he is willing to admit it virtually guarantees that Iran will get a bomb; it has not specified means for imposing penalties without overthrowing the deal; and Iran’s behavior is worse than ever. That seems to be exactly what critics of the deal have said all along.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2015 - 9:29AM #74
JRoadrunner
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Too bad this forum won't be around when Americans have to finally admit that they've been duped by Iran, and that the Obama deal was a flat out disaster. Meanwhile, here is an example (not the first) of Iran (and its co-dependent, Russia) laughing at the West and its impotence to stop them. 


Breaching embargo, Russia flying Iranian weapons into Syria


2 daily shipments of Iranian weapons have been flown by Russian cargo planes into Syria, in breach of 2 UN resolutions that placed an arms embargo on Iran



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