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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 8:18AM #1
Fodaoson
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Some posters continue to disparage “Liberals”.  In many of their mind and posts , FDR is the worst Liberal. Below are some quotes from FDRs  Address at the Democratic State Convention, Syracuse, N.Y. September 29,1936  Interspersed italics  are my comments


Remember, too, that the first essential of doing a job well is to want to see the job done. Make no mistake about this: the Republican leadership today is not against the way we have done the job. The Republican leadership is against the job's being done.


The current Republican mantra of JUST ONE TERM is a repeat of  the do-nothing of earlier eras. From threating to shut down government to not  confirming judges  and not participating in legislation republican ar nto doing the job.


It is for that reason that our American form of government will continue to be safest in. Democratic hands. The real, actual, undercover Republican leadership is the same as it was four years ago. That leadership will never comprehend the need for a program of social justice and of regard for the well-being of the masses of our people…


 Republicans  will never comprehend the need for a program of social justice and of regard for the well-being of the masses of our peopleHealth care, Social security, Medicare  are programs of social justice and of regard for the well-being of the masses


 Wise and prudent men- intelligent conservatives—have long known that in a changing world worthy institutions can be conserved only by adjusting them to the changing time. In the words of the great essayist, "The voice of great events is proclaiming to us. Reform if you would preserve." I am that kind of conservative because I am that kind of liberal.


We no longer live in a 18th century agrarian society, or a 19th century industrializing society or and early 20th century isolated country,
Reform is change  


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 8:36AM #2
catboxer
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Romney is truly disgusting; he's not even human.


Matt Taibbi nails the essence of this primitive, un-evolved mind-stem in his Rolling Stone column of 7/12: Romney really showed us something in his luridly self-congratulating N.A.A.C.P. gambit, followed by the awesomely disgusting "free stuff" post-mortem speech he delivered the next night in front of friendlier audiences. The twin appearances revealed the candidate to be not merely unlikable, and not merely a fatuous, unoriginal hack of politician, but also a genuinely repugnant human being, a grasping corporate hypocrite with so little feel for how to get along with people that he has to dream up elaborate schemes just to try to pander to the mob.


www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taib...


So true, and yet, I cannot bring myself to vote for Obama again. I've come to think of him as "Mr. Drone Warfare," and another brazen sell-out to the bankers, like Clinton.


Fodaoson, I really don't care which of them wins, and I know there are many others like me. Do you realize what this says about us as a country?


Things haven't been this bad since the 1850's.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 11:56AM #3
withwonderingawe
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FDR “….This year it is Russian. Desperate in mood, angry at failure, cunning in purpose, individuals and groups are seeking to make Communism an issue in an election where Communism is not a controversy between the two major parties…..



Really? 2012 and the Communist are running the Democratic party.


“….Communism is a manifestation of the social unrest which always comes with widespread economic maladjustment. We in the Democratic party have not been content merely to denounce this menace. We have been realistic enough to face it. We have been intelligent enough to do something about it….”


He said something like this in his second bill of rights.


In other words as a very rich man himself he’s afraid there will be a revolution and someone will come and take his away from him.


Socialism is used by the elite to control “the masses”, they can keep theirs while keeping the rest of us in our place.


He has a problem, it’s the word masses


“Republicans will never comprehend the need for a program of social justice and of regard for the well-being of the masses of our people… Health care, Social security, Medicare are programs of social justice and of regard for the well-being of the masses”


The Democrats are using the same warn out and tried arguments.


Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., "Republicans want you to die quickly"


Obama; ….the GOP budget would leave needy children to starve, cut 10 million college students' financial aid payments, close hundreds of national parks, and even prevent weather forecasters from spotting deadly storms "because we wouldn't be able to afford to launch new satellites."


Florida Democrat Congressman Ted Deutch "What do they say about Social Security that you depend on- let it go bankrupt. What do they say about the Medicare you need- let it go bankrupt. What do they say about America’s new healthcare law- let it go bankrupt. And what do they say to Florida’s Seniors- let them go bankrupt too!"


Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.) Republicans want to make the air dirtier and increase the rates of asthma among children.


Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz claimed that Republicans literally want to go back to Jim Crow laws.


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Do thinking people still believe them??


Democrats/ socialist/communist/elitist must keep a permanent underclass in order to retain power. Their use of the term “social justices” is used to give the illusion they want equality when that is the furthest thing from the truth.


If they really wanted equality they would push for financial literacy as a basic human right. Then everyone would understand the financial markets and how businesses run so that everyone would have an equal chance at becoming as wealthy as Mitt.



Communism and socialism each treat people as “masses” rather than as individuals with hopes and dreams. The elitist use government handouts and housing projects simply to warehouse the people they don’t want to see. They build these terrible apartments, throw thousand of the poor into them and then patting themselves on their backs they walk away.


But in trying to help what they call ‘the masses’ they have created a generational hopeless situation. When gangs and violence arise they act surprised.


Most people would rather be lined up to get a paycheck than wait in line for food stamps.


Most people would like to be the masters of their own destiny rather than worry about equal outcomes.

Wise men still seek him.
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 12:07PM #4
withwonderingawe
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From Cat’s article “Now, it would have been one thing if Romney had put some real thought into this, if he had taken a day or two or three and really pondered the question of why 90% of black voters vote Democratic.”



In other words he wanted Mitt to pander to black voters instead of treating them as just American voters. Mitt didn’t try to cover up his intent he was straight forward “I’m going to repeal Obamacare”. He treated them like the adults they are, they just didn’t want to hear it.


I wish he would have confronted them even more. He should have said that as an organization they haven’t done a thing for the blacks, they’re just a bunch of leftys who need to keep that angry underclass in place just as much as white democrats do.


Black unemployment is at an all time high of 14% and for black youth it’s 50%, Obama hasn’t helped them or anyone at all.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 12:09PM #5
amcolph
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Jul 14, 2012 -- 11:56AM, withwonderingawe wrote:


Democrats/ socialist/communist/elitist must keep a permanent underclass in order to retain power. Their use of the term “social justices” is used to give the illusion they want equality when that is the furthest thing from the truth.



Economic elites need a permanent and desparate underclass as a threat to their workers, which is why they oppose social safety nets.  They also use religion to control the working class.  It is not a coincidence that the clergy of the Religious Right preach unregulated corporate capitalism as the only economic system acceptable to God.


If they really wanted equality they would push for financial literacy as a basic human right. Then everyone would understand the financial markets and how businesses run so that everyone would have an equal chance at becoming as wealthy as Mitt.



What a joke.  The Right is even opposed to the teaching of critical thinking skills to the masses.  No Conservative wants the rank-and-file to find out what 'free enterprise' really means.




 

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 12:51PM #6
TENAC
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Jul 14, 2012 -- 12:09PM, amcolph wrote:


Jul 14, 2012 -- 11:56AM, withwonderingawe wrote:


Democrats/ socialist/communist/elitist must keep a permanent underclass in order to retain power. Their use of the term “social justices” is used to give the illusion they want equality when that is the furthest thing from the truth.



Economic elites need a permanent and desparate underclass as a threat to their workers, which is why they oppose social safety nets.  They also use religion to control the working class.  It is not a coincidence that the clergy of the Religious Right preach unregulated corporate capitalism as the only economic system acceptable to God.


If they really wanted equality they would push for financial literacy as a basic human right. Then everyone would understand the financial markets and how businesses run so that everyone would have an equal chance at becoming as wealthy as Mitt.



What a joke.  The Right is even opposed to the teaching of critical thinking skills to the masses.  No Conservative wants the rank-and-file to find out what 'free enterprise' really means.




 




Now that is a joke.


The Left only allows critical thinking so long that it parallels their own.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 1:00PM #7
amcolph
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Jul 14, 2012 -- 12:51PM, TENAC wrote:


 


Now that is a joke.


The Left only allows critical thinking so long that it parallels their own.




So you say, but it's part of the Texas GOP party platform.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 1:56PM #8
TENAC
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Jul 14, 2012 -- 1:00PM, amcolph wrote:


Jul 14, 2012 -- 12:51PM, TENAC wrote:


 


Now that is a joke.


The Left only allows critical thinking so long that it parallels their own.




So you say, but it's part of the Texas GOP party platform.




So you are saying that it is a part of the TX GOP platform to NOT teach critical thinking in the class room?  Can you point me to that?

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 2:43PM #9
amcolph
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Jul 14, 2012 -- 1:56PM, TENAC wrote:


Jul 14, 2012 -- 1:00PM, amcolph wrote:


Jul 14, 2012 -- 12:51PM, TENAC wrote:


 


Now that is a joke.


The Left only allows critical thinking so long that it parallels their own.




So you say, but it's part of the Texas GOP party platform.




So you are saying that it is a part of the TX GOP platform to NOT teach critical thinking in the class room?  Can you point me to that?




Google it.  For example,


truth-out.org/news/item/10144-texas-gop-...


There are even a couple of threads running on BN about it.  Where you bin?


It's not as if it was news, really--this has been on the agenda of the Right in an under-the-radar kind of way for many years.  Now they're confident enough to be up front about it.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 2:53PM #10
Fodaoson
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I am not amcolph but I live in Texas . Here is an article about that which he speaks .


 


Posted at 06:00 AM ET, 07/09/2012


Texas GOP rejects ‘critical thinking’ skills. Really.


By Valerie Strauss


In the you-can’t-make-up-this-stuff department, here’s what the Republican Party of Texas wrote into its 2012 platform as part of the section on education:


Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.


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