Yes yes ... of course.  The deepness of profound thought by intellectually superior minds.

Jul 1, 2012 -- 2:40PM, teilhard wrote:

"Give us your Tired, your Poor, the Huddled Masses, the Wretched Refuse of your Teeming Shore ... "

(We'll just  LET  THEM  DIE  once they arrive ... )

 

Like ... "Ayn Rand" ... ???

Jul 1, 2012 -- 4:38PM, Bodean wrote:

Yes yes ... of course.  The deepness of profound thought by intellectually superior minds.

Jul 1, 2012 -- 2:40PM, teilhard wrote:

"Give us your Tired, your Poor, the Huddled Masses, the Wretched Refuse of your Teeming Shore ... "

(We'll just  LET  THEM  DIE  once they arrive ... )

 

Jul 1, 2012 -- 2:16PM, Armwar wrote:

I see the talking points of the left changing again, with those guys trying ever harder to sound "reasonable"...

 

but what is going to happen is hospitals closing, those who take care of the rural folks, inner city folks, nursing home folks---oh yeah, and nursing homes will be closing, too.  There are already problems with durable medical equipment, the tax driving those companies out of business. 

This is going to be disasterous for the health care of those who need it most.  It is a big win by BIG PHARMA and BIG HEALTH CARE INSURANCE, not anyone else.

How is expanding the medicaid enrollment or requiring folks to obtain insurance(many of them subsidized)     going to close rural hospitals?     Since I live in a rural area that has decent service albeit no specialists I do not understand how increasing the number of people who hold health insurance is going to close facilities.     I understand the not wanting to increase the deficit argument and I totally understand the argument that this act does not lower the costs of healthcare but I do not see where more insured people are going to close facilities.    Would you expand and explain.     Not an argument just figured you would know because you are a doctor.    

Again, I think the BEST Solution will be to gradually reasonably help People adjust their EXPECTATIONS about Medicine and Surgery ...

Jul 1, 2012 -- 5:52PM, Bodean wrote:

Jul 1, 2012 -- 5:17PM, Find1Answer wrote:

Jul 1, 2012 -- 2:16PM, Armwar wrote:

I see the talking points of the left changing again, with those guys trying ever harder to sound "reasonable"...

 

but what is going to happen is hospitals closing, those who take care of the rural folks, inner city folks, nursing home folks---oh yeah, and nursing homes will be closing, too.  There are already problems with durable medical equipment, the tax driving those companies out of business. 

This is going to be disasterous for the health care of those who need it most.  It is a big win by BIG PHARMA and BIG HEALTH CARE INSURANCE, not anyone else.

How is expanding the medicaid enrollment or requiring folks to obtain insurance(many of them subsidized)     going to close rural hospitals?     Since I live in a rural area that has decent service albeit no specialists I do not understand how increasing the number of people who hold health insurance is going to close facilities.     I understand the not wanting to increase the deficit argument and I totally understand the argument that this act does not lower the costs of healthcare but I do not see where more insured people are going to close facilities.    Would you expand and explain.     Not an argument just figured you would know because you are a doctor.    

I don't think it's going to close hospitals.  The President of our Med Center, is estatic about it all.  There cost for uninsured treatment has gone up 1 million per mo., for the last two years.  Obamacare shifts tax payer funds to serve this issue.  And make no mistake, the peeps who can afford insurance but don't are still not going to get it.  The $2500 fine is a lot less than the $8000 policy.

No .. as I've said all along.  This is just another "spread the wealth"scheme by Obama.  Mr Doctor of Social Justice.  The "law" itself is not going to generate the revenue needed, so .. now he can use it as a campaign slogan to tax the rich so everyone can have affordable heatlhcare. Ya know ... "We all have to pay our fair share .. but of course, my voters fair share is ZERO".

I also don't see this benefitting Big Pharma???  Pure Generic Formularies don't benefit Pharma.  We are on the verge of the end of Pharma Discovery .. it's simply not going to be worth the venture capital investment within about 5 years.

Now Big Insurance .... yeah .. they are going to benefit from this.  More people, higher premiums, skimp on care .... = BIG PROFITS.  And to boot, Government Subsidy Dollars to make sure they get their premiums.

BUT .. the bottom line ... this bill is NOT going to decrease Healthcare Cost one iota.  As I've already posted with reference ... with every step towards "Managed Care" that our society has taken, Cost have increased.  The larger "the chum" .. the bigger pool of Sharks will be in the water.

Jul 1, 2012 -- 5:52PM, Bodean wrote:

Jul 1, 2012 -- 5:17PM, Find1Answer wrote:

Jul 1, 2012 -- 2:16PM, Armwar wrote:

I see the talking points of the left changing again, with those guys trying ever harder to sound "reasonable"...

 

but what is going to happen is hospitals closing, those who take care of the rural folks, inner city folks, nursing home folks---oh yeah, and nursing homes will be closing, too.  There are already problems with durable medical equipment, the tax driving those companies out of business. 

This is going to be disasterous for the health care of those who need it most.  It is a big win by BIG PHARMA and BIG HEALTH CARE INSURANCE, not anyone else.

How is expanding the medicaid enrollment or requiring folks to obtain insurance(many of them subsidized)     going to close rural hospitals?     Since I live in a rural area that has decent service albeit no specialists I do not understand how increasing the number of people who hold health insurance is going to close facilities.     I understand the not wanting to increase the deficit argument and I totally understand the argument that this act does not lower the costs of healthcare but I do not see where more insured people are going to close facilities.    Would you expand and explain.     Not an argument just figured you would know because you are a doctor.    

I don't think it's going to close hospitals.  The President of our Med Center, is estatic about it all.  There cost for uninsured treatment has gone up 1 million per mo., for the last two years.  Obamacare shifts tax payer funds to serve this issue.  And make no mistake, the peeps who can afford insurance but don't are still not going to get it.  The $2500 fine is a lot less than the $8000 policy.

No .. as I've said all along.  This is just another "spread the wealth"scheme by Obama.  Mr Doctor of Social Justice.  The "law" itself is not going to generate the revenue needed, so .. now he can use it as a campaign slogan to tax the rich so everyone can have affordable heatlhcare. Ya know ... "We all have to pay our fair share .. but of course, my voters fair share is ZERO".

I also don't see this benefitting Big Pharma???  Pure Generic Formularies don't benefit Pharma.  We are on the verge of the end of Pharma Discovery .. it's simply not going to be worth the venture capital investment within about 5 years.

Now Big Insurance .... yeah .. they are going to benefit from this.  More people, higher premiums, skimp on care .... = BIG PROFITS.  And to boot, Government Subsidy Dollars to make sure they get their premiums.

BUT .. the bottom line ... this bill is NOT going to decrease Healthcare Cost one iota.  As I've already posted with reference ... with every step towards "Managed Care" that our society has taken, Cost have increased.  The larger "the chum" .. the bigger pool of Sharks will be in the water.

I ask Gail why hospitals and clinics in rural areas are going to close.     I have heard all your arguments Bo and I have acknowledge those but my question to Gail,   a doctor who works in rural Texas in a facility that takes care of indigent patients,   why and how are clinics and hospitals going to close.    again  I am not looking for an argument just info.