Jun 28, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Armwar wrote:

The only way this passed the SC is because the mandate is considered a tax.  So, it is a tax.  A tax for merely being born in this country.  It is the only tax ever imposed for just existing.  All other taxes are tied to buying something, deciding to drive, to own something, w/e.  This is a tax imposed for breathing.  For each breath we take. 

 

Mr. Taxabama, his new name, may he go down in infamy.

GC, this may ruin Community Clinics---I am due to start working at one in August.  Will I have a job in a few years?  why should anyone go to an indigent clinic when he or she suddenly has "insurance"?

Not true at all, Medicaid folks will still go to CHCs and since many of the folks that dont currently qualify and cant pay for health care currently go to CHCs the CHCs will benefit from the Medicaid payment. Overturning the ACA would have hurt them as they would have lost millions in grants.

Jun 28, 2012 -- 8:17PM, teilhard wrote:

Exactly my Point ...

ALL "Taxes" are compulsory and are NOT strictly "voluntary" ...

Jun 28, 2012 -- 7:10PM, aarroottoonn wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 6:15PM, teilhard wrote:

Like ... "Taxes" to fund Miitary Spending ... ???

Jun 28, 2012 -- 6:10PM, TENAC wrote:

Congress can now create any law, compelled the public to participate in its activity or pay a penalty (tax, mandate).

What is that supposed to mean? We already have taxes that fund military spending.

Though Tenac is wrong, the Congress has always had the right to force to you do something via taxes, such as SS and Medicare. Roberts mentioned gas taxes as one example of using taxes to drive behavior.

Not really true, as this case demonstrates. One voluntarily chooses not to have insurance, and pays the tax. Same could be said with sin taxes or gas taxes. No one needs to drive, smoke or drink.

As I drop my insurance coverage on myself and save almost a grand a year in the process, I will pay the tax. When I get sick, I will simply go to the insurance company and pay a premium until I get healthy, then drop the coverage again.

Jun 28, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Armwar wrote:

when he or she suddenly has "insurance"?

Do people suddenly have insurance now or even in 2014?  I don't think so.   All you have is a penalty for not buying your own insurance.

If you get sick, you just carry yourself to the ER like you always have.  Except now your visit there is somewhat paid for by your penalty.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.  But nobody receives "coverage" under Obamacare unless you go out and buy it yourself.

Jun 28, 2012 -- 8:30PM, Armwar wrote:

I disagree with you GC...the people who now go to Community Centers but have the means to seek other greener and prettier grasses will do so.  Better bricks.  That way they won't have to feel so inferior.

CHCs currently see more than 7 million Medicaid patients. They will continue to see those patients and take on the patients newly enrolled in Medicaid. As you keep pointing out, private docs don't want Medicaid patients (partially because of low reimbursement) and they aren't going to all of a sudden want to take on all the Medicaid patients. Add to that the fact that there will still be uninsured due to illegal aliens and folks that simply choose not to buy insurance and they'll continue to have patients.

I think, so far, Philip Defranco puts it all into perspective for me:

youtu.be/RW5dvk_jE9w