Jun 25, 2012 -- 11:14AM, Do_unto_others wrote:

Jun 21, 2012 -- 8:08PM, mecdukebec wrote:

Jun 21, 2012 -- 6:06PM, TENAC wrote:

Jun 21, 2012 -- 5:28PM, Jasr wrote:

Jun 21, 2012 -- 4:54PM, TENAC wrote:

Ed, the Left on this board will argue to their death there is no waiting line in Canada for health care

I don't know whom you are referring to, but I have never argued that ther is no waiting line in Canada for health care.

The waits in Canada are well documented because The Canadians document them.

Here in the US of A we do not.

We do not have a clue of the correlation between waiting for care and the ability to pay, and how the statistics would be distorted by the people who need care and never get it because they can't afford it.

We certainly don't have a clue what the impact is on American worker productivity.

And the Republicans and their insurance paymasters like it that way.

In Canada's case, wait time statistics are very public...right out in the open for far-right think tanks like the Fraser Institute to write articles about, and they can and do affect public policy.

The costs of health care are very public too. So the voters and taxpayers can make informed decisions about how much health care expenditures they want to support and what the impact will be...on population health and comfort, and on productivity.

Well, we know govt run health care in Canada leads to long lines and a less productive society.

I enjoyed a flight today.  I saw on the "What to do in case of emergency landing." card in the seat pouch, and the plane was identified as a "Bombardier." I don't know where this free Wingoassociation stuff comes from, other than the collective reptilian unconscious, but "less productive" is one of the Wingothings that is, well, a thing. 

Ditto.

TENAC's usual fibs and slurs do not go unnoticed. He seems to have ignored the fact that his selective interpretation just might possibly have been affected by the fact that the Fraser Institute is a right-wing libertarian "think"-tank.  
 
For the most up-to-date info:  
www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fras...  
They are funded in part by the JohnBirch Koch Bros.  
 
The Fraser Institute has been sending out it's false message about the healthcare system in Canada in the hopes they can privatize everything there.

AND by the fact that  the study makes the assumption that 11% of patients "were adversely affected by their wait for non-emergency surgery."

And the fact that the latest 2012 information regarding healthcare wait times in Canada:  
www.cihi.ca/cihi-ext-portal/internet/en/...  
 
shows that new analysis from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) reveals that about 8 out of 10 Canadians receive priority-area procedures—including hip and knee replacements, cataract surgery, hip fracture repair and radiation therapy—within the medically recommended time frames.  

And, almost all (97%) patients receive radiation therapy within the recommended time frame of four weeks;  
Similar proportions of patients receive hip replacement (82%), hip fracture repair (79%) and cataract surgery (82%) within these procedures’ respective time frames; and  
Knee replacements have the longest wait times, with 75% of patients receiving care within the benchmark time frame.  
 
These results are largely similar to last year’s findings....  
 
And here for more info on Fraser Institute/Koch Bros.  
www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/2012/...

Pesky little things these facts. They get in the way of a good rightwingnuterati invented slur.

These are the Wingos who still believe in the IRQ war (but never served); the Good Book talks about God sending a "strong delusion" on those who are deceived.  Ironic, I would say. 

Jun 22, 2012 -- 7:32PM, TENAC wrote:

As regards the early fire fighters, I understand each was to pay for its service and if you didnt pay your house might go up in flames as the fire fighters watched.

This very thing happened just last year. In America.

Clue.