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2 years ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 9:46AM #11
amcolph
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Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:08AM, Bodean wrote:


Jun 14, 2012 -- 9:41PM, amcolph wrote:


Jun 14, 2012 -- 5:55PM, Bodean wrote:


 


You missed a very crucial line here Drawout ...




If it is something that environmental activists, financial reform advocates and labor unions have long rejected I would think a Conservative ought to love it.


In addition, it is described in the article as "corporate global governance," exactly what Conservatives are striving for.





I don't know a single Conservative who ascribes to "Global Governance" of any kind.  Got any examples??




It is a natural development of Conservative policy:  reduce or eliminate the regulatory power of national governments, reduce or eliminate taxes and financial controls on large corporations, oppose the formation of any international governmental authority or multinational agreements to oversee and regulate large corporations, all these are well-known Conservative goals.


What the hell do you think will happen, if not the corporations instead of governments running the world?

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 2:51PM #12
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Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:46AM, amcolph wrote:


Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:08AM, Bodean wrote:


Jun 14, 2012 -- 9:41PM, amcolph wrote:


Jun 14, 2012 -- 5:55PM, Bodean wrote:


 


You missed a very crucial line here Drawout ...




If it is something that environmental activists, financial reform advocates and labor unions have long rejected I would think a Conservative ought to love it.


In addition, it is described in the article as "corporate global governance," exactly what Conservatives are striving for.





I don't know a single Conservative who ascribes to "Global Governance" of any kind.  Got any examples??




It is a natural development of Conservative policy:  reduce or eliminate the regulatory power of national governments, reduce or eliminate taxes and financial controls on large corporations, oppose the formation of any international governmental authority or multinational agreements to oversee and regulate large corporations, all these are well-known Conservative goals.


What the hell do you think will happen, if not the corporations instead of governments running the world?




The Corporations already run the governments (ours especially)...this is all just extra icing on the cake for them.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2012 - 3:33PM #13
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Personally, I don't want any global government, whether it's run by a corporation or some bizarre mix of fascist, sociallist, communist, islamist, theocratic, autocratic, or what ever...just let me be free!  Live and let live, eh?

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2012 - 7:10PM #14
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Fat chance of that.  The Left wants to run you for your own good.  The Right wants to run you for theirs.  Don't know which is worse.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2012 - 9:02PM #15
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Doesn't much matter one way or the other whether the socialists, fascists, godless commies, or libertarians take over the U.S., because the country is slipping into third world status.


seekingalpha.com/article/309501-how-the-...


Enjoy your liberty and your benefits whilst you can, because in twenty years or so you'll be right down there with Libya, Somalia, and Uzbekistan.


The next superpower? China.


money.cnn.com/2012/06/15/news/economy/ch...

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2012 - 10:11PM #16
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EVERY Empire falls of its own external and internal Complications and Contradictions ... The USA will be no Exception ...


Jun 16, 2012 -- 9:02PM, solfeggio wrote:


Doesn't much matter one way or the other whether the socialists, fascists, godless commies, or libertarians take over the U.S., because the country is slipping into third world status.


seekingalpha.com/article/309501-how-the-...


Enjoy your liberty and your benefits whilst you can, because in twenty years or so you'll be right down there with Libya, Somalia, and Uzbekistan.


The next superpower? China.


money.cnn.com/2012/06/15/news/economy/ch...





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2 years ago  ::  Jun 19, 2012 - 2:05AM #17
Father_Oblivion
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 9:41PM, amcolph wrote:


Jun 14, 2012 -- 5:55PM, Bodean wrote:


 


You missed a very crucial line here Drawout ...




If it is something that environmental activists, financial reform advocates and labor unions have long rejected I would think a Conservative ought to love it.


In addition, it is described in the article as "corporate global governance," exactly what Conservatives are striving for.




Conservatives strive to retain the power of the inidvidual, and seek to prevent power from going up the pyramid as much as possible.


They seek to have local laws put in place rather than state laws, because they can be enacted in such a way that fits the dynamics of the local area better than distant legislators can who are not familiar nor sympathetic to local conditions.


They seek to have state laws put in place rather than Federal laws for much the same reason, and also to allow those who do not agree with a particular law to have a different place to go where they would not be subject to it without having to leave the country.


They adamantly oppose any sort of international control.


The problem is, we have Neo-Cons who masquerade as Conservatives, and the Neo-Libs who masquerade as Liberals will miss no chance to desparage the actions of these Neo-Cons as examples of what Consevatism is and why it is destructive.


I am quite surprised you are not aware of that, as can be determined by your post.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 19, 2012 - 9:10AM #18
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Jun 19, 2012 -- 2:05AM, Father_Oblivion wrote:


I am quite surprised you are not aware of that, as can be determined by your post.





I am quite aware of it, thank you, but the Oligarchs on this board like to pretend to be Conservatives and I see no reason not to oblige them.


That they whine about wanting the government to have less power is actually encouraging, because it is an indication that they think the rest of us might still have some influence on it.


If they thought they had full control of it they wouldn't care how powerful it became. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 20, 2012 - 12:32AM #19
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Jun 19, 2012 -- 9:10AM, amcolph wrote:


Jun 19, 2012 -- 2:05AM, Father_Oblivion wrote:


I am quite surprised you are not aware of that, as can be determined by your post.





I am quite aware of it, thank you, but the Oligarchs on this board like to pretend to be Conservatives and I see no reason not to oblige them.


That they whine about wanting the government to have less power is actually encouraging, because it is an indication that they think the rest of us might still have some influence on it.


If they thought they had full control of it they wouldn't care how powerful it became. 




Fair enough.


Your reply has restored my faith in your political awareness!


I still object to calling these Neo-Cons 'Conservative', it gives them far more credit than they deserve.

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Neil Gaiman
'American Gods'

‎"Ignorance of ignorance, then, is that self-satisfied state of unawareness in which man, knowing nothing outside the limited area of his physical senses, bumptiously declares there is nothing more to know! He who knows no life save the physical is merely ignorant; but he who declares physical life to be all-important and elevates it to the position of supreme reality--such a one is ignorant of his own ignorance."
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 20, 2012 - 9:15AM #20
Bodean
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Jun 19, 2012 -- 9:10AM, amcolph wrote:


Jun 19, 2012 -- 2:05AM, Father_Oblivion wrote:


I am quite surprised you are not aware of that, as can be determined by your post.





I am quite aware of it, thank you, but the Oligarchs on this board like to pretend to be Conservatives and I see no reason not to oblige them.


That they whine about wanting the government to have less power is actually encouraging, because it is an indication that they think the rest of us might still have some influence on it.


If they thought they had full control of it they wouldn't care how powerful it became. 





You speak as if we are Oligarchs .. but in reality, it is the opposite.


It is the Left, that ascribes to the principles of "Government by the few".  This is born out in the fact that Leftist regimes everywhere are dictatorships.  Leftism operates on a principle that there is an "Intelligent Elite" that knows better than everyone else, and as such should be elevated to make decisions for us all.  All one need do is look at this board, with its ad nauseum threads that attempt to illustate how much "smarter" leftist are than conservatives.


Right here in the US.  Lisa Jackson ... ONE PERSON, [or a cirlce of a few] have determined that they need to elimate coal ... again based on work of a very small group of people, who are also leftist.  Obama, just dictated into law that 800,000 undocumented imigrant children should be given green cards.  Obama also tried to dictate that churches must supply B.C. pills to women free of charge, even when it is against their beleifs.  The list goes on and on.


Conservatives oppose such ... and yet, you call us the Oligarchs.  That's funny.

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