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3 years ago  ::  Jun 20, 2012 - 11:41AM #21
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Jun 20, 2012 -- 9:15AM, Bodean wrote:



You speak as if we are Oligarchs .. but in reality, it is the opposite.


It is the Left, that ascribes to the principles of "Government by the few".




So all dictatorial or elitist regimes are "leftist."  That make a lot of sense, Bodean.



 



Conservatives oppose such ... and yet, you call us the Oligarchs. 



No, only those who are Oligarchs. Those who advocate corporate feudalism, those who want the crypto-Christian "Religious Right" to dictate our moral values, and so on.


There are just not very many Conservatives around.  None with any influence in the GOP any more, certainly.



 

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 20, 2012 - 2:08PM #22
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Jun 20, 2012 -- 9:15AM, Bodean wrote:

Jun 19, 2012 -- 9:10AM, amcolph wrote:


Jun 19, 2012 -- 2:05AM, Father_Oblivion wrote:


I am quite surprised you are not aware of that, as can be determined by your post.





I am quite aware of it, thank you, but the Oligarchs on this board like to pretend to be Conservatives and I see no reason not to oblige them.


That they whine about wanting the government to have less power is actually encouraging, because it is an indication that they think the rest of us might still have some influence on it.


If they thought they had full control of it they wouldn't care how powerful it became. 





You speak as if we are Oligarchs .. but in reality, it is the opposite.


It is the Left, that ascribes to the principles of "Government by the few".  This is born out in the fact that Leftist regimes everywhere are dictatorships.  Leftism operates on a principle that there is an "Intelligent Elite" that knows better than everyone else, and as such should be elevated to make decisions for us all.  All one need do is look at this board, with its ad nauseum threads that attempt to illustate how much "smarter" leftist are than conservatives.


Right here in the US.  Lisa Jackson ... ONE PERSON, [or a cirlce of a few] have determined that they need to elimate coal ... again based on work of a very small group of people, who are also leftist.  Obama, just dictated into law that 800,000 undocumented imigrant children should be given green cards.  Obama also tried to dictate that churches must supply B.C. pills to women free of charge, even when it is against their beleifs.  The list goes on and on.


Conservatives oppose such ... and yet, you call us the Oligarchs.  That's funny.


Lisa Jackson is hardly one person dictating to the coal industry, she's the head of the EPA!    The regulations are highly recommended and were supported and heavily lobbied by the Natural Gas industry for one.     Not to mention the medical industry and science as to dangers of breathing that stuff.     Most of those coal plants are near their end life anyway and rather than spend the bucks to retrofit with cleaner stacks are retrofiting for natural gas.    


Obama's immigration move is a direct copy of Orrin Hatch's Dream Act that Orrin dropped like a hot tea party potato and Marco Rubio's plan which goes even further.     


Obama did not dictate to the churches squat.    Congress wrote the AHC and in that legislation they copied earlier legislation regarding coverage of common medications.     not supply bc pills to women free of charge.      the earlier law was written that exempted churches but did not exempt church schools and hospitals.      It has always been the case,  even before AHC.    The coverage of bc from policies that also routinely covered viagra and other common prescriptions is old law.    


the half of the story list goes on and on.   Where is Paul Harvey when you need him.   why anyone would present only some of the facts to fit the rightwing narrative confounds me.   The right is the one that attributes some uber moral charge to bc and puts bc up on some pedestal of righteous regulation.                      

One of the nation’s largest refuse streams at 136 million tons a year, coal ash has fouled water supplies, endangered public health and threatened communities across the country. The EPA itself has recognized as many as 160 “damage” cases in which coal ash from ponds, landfills and other dumpsites have contaminated nearby aquifers, streams, rivers and lakes or tainted the air.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 20, 2012 - 11:19PM #23
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Jun 20, 2012 -- 11:41AM, amcolph wrote:


 


So all dictatorial or elitist regimes are "leftist."  That make a lot of sense, Bodean.



 





No it doesn't make sense ... and don't know why you would say such.


It's not that all dictatorial regimes are leftist .. it's that all leftist regimes are dictatorial. :-)


It's kinda like one of those IQ questions.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 7:47AM #24
amcolph
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Jun 20, 2012 -- 11:19PM, Bodean wrote:


Jun 20, 2012 -- 11:41AM, amcolph wrote:


 


So all dictatorial or elitist regimes are "leftist."  That make a lot of sense, Bodean.



 





No it doesn't make sense ... and don't know why you would say such.


It's not that all dictatorial regimes are leftist .. it's that all leftist regimes are dictatorial. :-)


It's kinda like one of those IQ questions.




Oh dear, Bodean, I guess you're right.


When you went on to say that the Right opposed oligarchy I drew the wrong conclusion about what you meant.


When you said,


"You speak as if we are Oligarchs .. but in reality, it is the opposite."


I took you to mean that the Right are not Oligarchs.  How silly of me.  Then you said,


"It is the Left, that ascribes to the principles of "Government by the few".  This is born out in the fact that Leftist regimes everywhere are dictatorships."


That just confused me, because I didn't know whether that was a definition of "Leftist regimes" or whether you really believed that it was true, or knew it isn't true and were lying about it for rhetorical reasons.  Sometimes your posts are hard to follow.


"Leftism operates on a principle that there is an "Intelligent Elite" that knows better than everyone else, and as such should be elevated to make decisions for us all.  All one need do is look at this board, with its ad nauseum threads that attempt to illustate how much "smarter" leftist are than conservatives.."


I'm sorry that Leftists make you feel stupid.  That is certainly not our intention.  Maybe you should try harder to keep up.


"Conservatives oppose such ... and yet, you call us the Oligarchs.  That's funny."


So Conservatives only oppose intelligent elites?


Is that the point you were trying to make?




 

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 9:00AM #25
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Of all the stupid and offensive recurring themes and memes people are subjected to on this board, this one is the absolute worst.


What makes it such a stinker is the total absence of evidence, or rather, all the evidence that actually does exist leads to the opposite conclusion, that Obama is a creature of the biggest banks.


Follow the money; it leads to the truth.


This is the work of people who think the truth is whatever they would like to believe, and if they want to believe it, it must be true.


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3 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 9:48AM #26
Bodean
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Jun 21, 2012 -- 9:00AM, catboxer wrote:


Of all the stupid and offensive recurring themes and memes people are subjected to on this board, this one is the absolute worst.


What makes it such a stinker is the total absence of evidence, or rather, all the evidence that actually does exist leads to the opposite conclusion, that Obama is a creature of the biggest banks.


Follow the money; it leads to the truth.


This is the work of people who think the truth is whatever they would like to believe, and if they want to believe it, it must be true.






No .. I'd disagree.  The most stupid and offensive recurring theme on this board is the ad nauseum threads about how Conservatives are a bunch of retarded, brainless, knuckledraggin, ugly, corrupt neanderthals .. while leftist are angels sent from the 5th realm of intelligence.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 9:55AM #27
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Jun 21, 2012 -- 9:48AM, Bodean wrote:


Jun 21, 2012 -- 9:00AM, catboxer wrote:


Of all the stupid and offensive recurring themes and memes people are subjected to on this board, this one is the absolute worst.


What makes it such a stinker is the total absence of evidence, or rather, all the evidence that actually does exist leads to the opposite conclusion, that Obama is a creature of the biggest banks.


Follow the money; it leads to the truth.


This is the work of people who think the truth is whatever they would like to believe, and if they want to believe it, it must be true.






No .. I'd disagree.  The most stupid and offensive recurring theme on this board is the ad nauseum threads about how Conservatives are a bunch of retarded, brainless, knuckledraggin, ugly, corrupt neanderthals .. while leftist are angels sent from the 5th realm of intelligence.




LOL!  If the shoe fits...

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